TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?

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Kimmio Laughterlove said:
Can you give an example of what he's said, that you like?
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He's explained some of how the American system works. He's compared the Canadian and American systems. He dislikes the current president and can articulate his concerns well. He has info on YouTube if you want to decide for yourself. He's someone I can respect even when I disagree with him because he's done his homework.
 
I've met David Frum and his mother, Barbara. And I once had the agony of having supper with his mother. If there were ever two people full of praise for themselves, of arrogance, of open contempt for anyone who wasn't super rich lile tthem. I've never heard of them. Evem her husband was embarassed for her..
 
And what makes you think he's done his homework?. He compared the Canadian and American systems? What makes you think he knows what he's talking about?
Did he explain how, since the days of George Washington, the American system has favoured the rich and abused the poor? Did he explain why George Washington denied the vote to many of the poor - because they were poor?
Did he explain how the Liberals and Conservatives and Democrats and Republicans have always been owned by the wealthy? Yes. That's been true of every American president and every Canadian PM in history.
The nice George Washington, by the way, was the man who deliberately slaughtered native peoples, men, women and children in a holocaust on their land. In fact, if you read Mein Kampf, Hitler explained that George Washington was the one who gave him the idea for his holocaust of Jews and gypsies.
Frum has spent his own life as a servant to the very, very rich.
 
Well, I did say I was surprised to fund myself appreciating his opinions lately. His is one point of view. It's not the gospel truth
 
Pretty much. And before that it was Christian fundamentalism. The interesting thing is that the fundies and the Tea Party are still there and still have some influence, they just get subsumed into whatever comes next. I imagine the same will happen to Trumpian authoritarianism when it loses its appeal (which may be as soon as November if Trump loses).
 
Both sides play into the hands of the establishment by advocating violence and division and in this sense these groups work towards the same ends despite any apparent superficial differences.

It is possible for rational people to be both compassionate and independent without being manipulated by government or being divided amongst one another.

The hate and division seen in politics should make one thing extremely clear:

It is not a good idea to force large populations of people in a specific geographical location to live under the same rules, adhere to the same culture, fund the same projects and so on.

People are unique individuals with a broad spectrum of ideas and values.

For optimum peace and prosperity each of these unique individuals should be able to live according to those values, so long as they do not impede on their neighbors freedom to do the same.
 
Sometimes governments pay provocateurs to dress and behave like delinquents - to infiltrate peaceful protests - to instigate violence and vandalism. Then they can try to win over public opinion, in order go in and shut it down by force.
 
Ritafee said:
Both sides play into the hands of the establishment by advocating violence and division and in this sense these groups work towards the same ends despite any apparent superficial differences.

It is possible for rational people to be both compassionate and independent without being manipulated by government or being divided amongst one another.

The hate and division seen in politics should make one thing extremely clear:

It is not a good idea to force large populations of people in a specific geographical location to live under the same rules, adhere to the same culture, fund the same projects and so on.

People are unique individuals with a broad spectrum of ideas and values.

For optimum peace and prosperity each of these unique individuals should be able to live according to those values, so long as they do not impede on their neighbors freedom to do the same.
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I believe that an organization like the UN is necessary to promoting some universal values put into action - universal to all regardless of race, religion, gender, ability, and national origin. Humanity needs to agree on a set of peaceful and equitable principals or we will forever remain divided and fighting amongst our tribes over whose values take precedence, in order to benefit whom.
 
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Ensuring that they are not immune from prosecution from violent crimes is a good idea. A problem they might run into is being accused by a combatant party in a conflict of crimes, whether they were committed or not, and may not get due process.
 
Can power be virtually abused without our sentient nature? Then we wouldn't know what went by ... there may be some demand on your wee resources to struggle with reality ... thus the temporal nature ... the flames subside into sub dude! Generating orangemen ... glows in the dark! May resemble embers ...
 
Mendalla said:
Pretty much. And before that it was Christian fundamentalism. The interesting thing is that the fundies and the Tea Party are still there and still have some influence, they just get subsumed into whatever comes next. I imagine the same will happen to Trumpian authoritarianism when it loses its appeal (which may be as soon as November if Trump loses).
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Much depends on what happens to the Trump base. If Trump loses in November does the base slip away or does it hold and transfer allegiance to the next "leader" - which could be Don Jr., Ivanka, someone like Senator Tom Cotton (who's been doing his best recently to sound a bit like Trump with his "throw the military on to the streets attitude.) I don't think Pence would inherit it - he's too "genteel" for lack of a better word to appeal to the base; his presence was always just to give a more respectable face to the Trump movement - but there are others who could "lead" the movement forward and if the base holds then it's going to continue to have huge influence in what is already a very fractured Republican Party - the establishment, the Tea Party, the fundamentalists and the Trump base.
 
Life is good.
There is no way trump can lose the election. The pendulum has swung as far as it can sanely swing left. The insane far left is going wait a minute, we haven’t eliminated the police yet and destroyed civilization. More moderate Democrats will have no choice but to vote trump. Stupid is as stupid does.



I wonder if Biden will even surface for a debate.

 
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