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Lastpointe said:
Where did I say the issues were genetics. I wrote of poverty and poor health Above. And those things need to be analyzed to move forward into better health. To offer better protection. I am agreeing that race plays a part in poverty, in lots of areas and needs to be monitored.

however there are genetic differences in all of us. Whether we ar from tall danish ancestry, or short Italian ancestry or black with faster twitch muscles.

you on the other hand are rude and condescending to anyone who disagrees with you. On just about anything

perhaps it is your genetic predisposition to be rude
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I'm not being rude. I'm being assertive and saying what needs to be said.
 
ChemGal said:
Race isn't something that is well defined in general, and the lines get even blurrier when looking at biology. Biologically, it's not something I've seen much of and the bit I have is all related to bones, and that has a strong tie to anthropology. So there's Negroid, Mongoloid and Caucasoid. Most of the time, in biology populations are referred to, not races. It's why the example I gave was about African Americans (and was pretty specific then to those who were dependents from those who were in America already, as a population they would be different than those who immigrated to the US more recently).
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Phrenology is a discredited "science". (And old, archaic) They used to measure skulls as indicators of intelligence, and then narrowed it down to negroid, mongoloid and caucasoid skulls.
 
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Waterfall said:
I think if I was black or any other ethnicity, I would be grateful to know if it's the case. It would be negligent even racist not to check IMO.
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You didn’t read the article.

The point is...they don’t have more hypertension because they’re black. They have more hypertension because of systemic racism leading to poorer health outcomes. I doubt you’d be grateful to know that being black is a higher risk if you had no healthcare and no way of properly isolating and protecting yourself because the “overclass” doesn’t care about your community. Or if you lived in a “food desert” - such as communities where there are no proper grocery stores selling fresh food...only convenience stores and fast food. It just makes the genetic factor a completely moot point that justifies ongoing systemic racism. ...and they’re not checking everyone and looking after them, or there wouldn’t be a higher incidence of heart disease in the first place. That would be looked after in the first place, before covid even came to be...so I don’t think they need to be grateful. I’d be pissed. If people were being looked after it wouldn’t be a “black” problem. Don’t you get it? I don’t know how to convey it any better. It’s not like people in those communities are getting decent medical care to begin with that they should be “grateful” for. They are not suddenly getting extra better care because they are black and at higher risk - and because of systemic racism, it’s more unlikely that they will.
 
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Kimmio Laughterlove said:
You didn’t read the article.

The point is...they don’t have more hypertension because they’re black. They have more hypertension because of systemic racism leading to poorer health outcomes. I doubt you’d be grateful to know that being black is a higher risk if you had no healthcare and no way of properly isolating and protecting yourself because the “overclass” doesn’t care about your community. It just makes the genetic factor a completely moot point that justifies ongoing systemic racism. ...and they’re not checking everyone and looking after them, or there wouldn’t be a higher incidence of heart disease in the first place. That would be looked after in the first place, before covid even came to be...so I don’t think they need to be grateful. I’d be pissed. If people were being looked after it wouldn’t be a “black” problem. Don’t you get it? I don’t know how to convey it any better. It’s not like those communities are getting decent medical care to begin with that they should be “grateful” for. They are not suddenly getting extra better care because they are black and at higher risk, and because of systemic racism, it’s more unlikely that they will.
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This supports your view, at least in ruling out the African Gene Theory for Hypertension:

journals.physiology.org

The “African gene” theory: it is time to stop teaching and promoting the slavery hypertension hypothesis | Advances in Physiology Education

journals.physiology.org

www.sciencedaily.com

Leaving segregated neighborhoods reduces blood pressure for blacks

When African Americans moved to less segregated neighborhoods, their systolic blood pressure readings dropped between one to five points, reports a new national study. This is the first study to look at the longitudinal effects of living in less segregated areas on blood pressure and to compare...
www.sciencedaily.com

www.sciencedaily.com

Popular hypertension drugs linked to worse heart health in blacks compared to whites

Drugs commonly used to treat high blood pressure, and prevent heart attacks and strokes, are associated with significantly worse cardiovascular outcomes in hypertensive African Americans compared to whites, according to a new comparative effectiveness research.
www.sciencedaily.com

Now back to the virus, okay?
 
Regardless of why blacks have issues related to high blood pressure and diabetes they do. To ignore that fact is criminal. They have higher incidence of high blood pressure , obesity and diabetes. That makes them, at least in the USA, at a higher risk of doingpoorly with Covid19. So they need targeted care
 
Lastpointe said:
Regardless of why blacks have issues related to high blood pressure and diabetes they do. To ignore that fact is criminal. They have higher incidence of high blood pressure , obesity and diabetes. That makes them, at least in the USA, at a higher risk of doingpoorly with Covid19. So they need targeted care
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They have a higher incidence in African countries too.....which may or may not be still related to "neighbourhood" conditions. I'm not sure it's really known yet, unless someone out there knows of a study that finally pinpoints the cause for sure.
 
Waterfall said:
Here's the article I read this morning @ChemGal.


bestlifeonline.com

This Blood Type Makes You More at Risk for Coronavirus

You likely know that certain preexisting conditions put you at risk when it comes to the coronavirus. But did you know that your blood type plays a role?
bestlifeonline.com bestlifeonline.com
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Yeah, that talks about the 2 studies I found.
I suspect it's not really about blood groups at all. The correlation could be due to genes that are correlated with blood groups, or it could be meaningless, too early to know. It's not unusual to see differences between groups that aren't really relevant, I haven't gone through the data but in general I would say more work needs to be done to draw conclusions and I don't think ABO is something that's high priority although it's easy to do.
 
ChemGal said:
Yeah, that talks about the 2 studies I found.
I suspect it's not really about blood groups at all. The correlation could be due to genes that are correlated with blood groups, or it could be meaningless, too early to know. It's not unusual to see differences between groups that aren't really relevant, I haven't gone through the data but in general I would say more work needs to be done to draw conclusions and I don't think ABO is something that's high priority although it's easy to do.
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Do you think the studies were just using those who died of COVID and not taking into account any other factors besides blood type?
 
Waterfall said:
Here's the article I read this morning @ChemGal.


bestlifeonline.com

This Blood Type Makes You More at Risk for Coronavirus

You likely know that certain preexisting conditions put you at risk when it comes to the coronavirus. But did you know that your blood type plays a role?
bestlifeonline.com bestlifeonline.com
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This isn’t really news- droplet precautions means people have to wear eye protection with the mask because the eyes could be an entry point. Same with pneumonia or other germs.That’s why the basic masks ( surgical masks) are only to keep others safe from you ( because you are sneezing into them), but not you from others when they sneeze at you, because you don’t have eye protection. However, you are having less of an entry point if you wear a mask, so it might help a bit to get a smaller dose of germs.
 
Mrs.Anteater said:
This isn’t really news- droplet precautions means people have to wear eye protection with the mask because the eyes could be an entry point. Same with pneumonia or other germs.That’s why the basic masks ( surgical masks) are only to keep others safe from you ( because you are sneezing into them), but not you from others when they sneeze at you, because you don’t have eye protection. However, you are having less of an entry point if you wear a mask, so it might help a bit to get a smaller dose of germs.
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Yeah I mentioned it very early in this thread.....but it was the possible blood type connection I found more interesting.
 
Waterfall said:
Do you think the studies were just using those who died of COVID and not taking into account any other factors besides blood type?
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The China study just compared those who were in the hospital (including some who died and separate info is done for them) to a sampling of people from the same area. They did a breakdown of the age and gender of those who were hospitalized, but didn't do the same for the bloodtypes of the population in general.
This is right in the abstract:
. It should be emphasized, however, that this is an early study with limitations. It would be premature to use this study to guide clinical practice at this time, but it should encourage further investigation of the relationship between the ABO blood group and the COVID-19 susceptibility.
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The US one does have more information. Rh factor, intubation, and some comorbidities are covered:
 
Something else I found really fascinating was something I heard on CBC radio today.
They did a segment about Good things that you've heard about how we're handling the Coronavirus with our health care. (Which would make a good thread....because good news is needed)
Anyway, in Kingston, (I think it was the health department) decided very early on during the pandemic, to use the extra health inspectors that would normally be sent out to inspect restaurants and other closed businesses, and decided to redirect all of the health inspectors to nursing and retirement homes. EVERY home was constantly inspected over and over again EVERY month...the result.....Zero, Nada, Nil, Covid cases in any type of Old age Home in the Kingston area.
Pretty amazing.....good idea!

It probably wasn't the only reason, but I'm sure it could only help.
 
Alberta is going on with it's phase 1 plans, but with regional differences as to the specific subphases? within phase 1.
I haven't paid attention across Canada, are other provinces taking regional approaches? Advantages and risks to doing it either way.
 
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