Will you accept or reject the new governing principle of society?
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Mrs.Anteater
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I could listen to this only half way though- this is too ridiculous. Very questionable that this person has a nursing background. Kind of weird too, that some things he / she says are blended out?
Of couse, everyone with respiratory symptoms is treated like it was a Covid patient first until the test comes back negative- after all, Covid is contagious, so you would not want to put him in with a patient that is negative or have the staff go in unprotected if it is a potential positive case. And , of course, if someone with a cronic disease gets Covid on top of it, and dies faster because of this, you could call it a covid victim. After all, if a patient with brain cancer gets run over by a car, you would call him a victim of a car accident, too.
An, yes, it makes sense to test a palliative patient for Covid, not for the statistics so much as for the protection of staff.
Mrs.Anteater
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And, yes, you are right, I am in the wrong thread because I prefer logic and common sense and the percentage of that is too low here to continue to follow it.
Ritafee
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As you wish.
Northwind
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I've seen the argument that people are being listed as having died of covid even when they get hit by a car. While, I highly doubt that, checking to see if someone has covid or acting as if, is important for safety reasons. Thanks for raising this important point.
People are presenting with various symptoms that are outside of fever, sore throats and cough and doctors and nurses are learning this as they go along.
Also the doctors have a diagnosis and the nurses provide a nursing diagnosis too and it can be recorded in various places such as nursing notes. It's a legal document, so it's not wise to lie. The previous history is included within the patients file, it's not hidden....so secondary issues are easily seen.
Also the doctors have a diagnosis and the nurses provide a nursing diagnosis too and it can be recorded in various places such as nursing notes. It's a legal document, so it's not wise to lie. The previous history is included within the patients file, it's not hidden....so secondary issues are easily seen.
Ritafee
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And if you tested that car accident victim for 'Covid' and there was a 'positive' ... what is the cause of death if the patient dies?
Northwind
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Car accident unless the person dies of consequences of the covid. No brainer. Doctors and other health professionals are capable of differential diagnoses.
Lastpointe
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That was an interesting article about prof wittkowski. Thanks for posting
i get his point that people have to get this so we can create immunity. The missing element there is that all of these closures were to prevent hospitals from being overrun. We could see that in china with hospitals being build. In Italy where if you were over 60 don’t bother coming to hospital. In nyc where parking lots and parks were used to set up field hospitals
and while it is relatively easy to set up beds in conventions centers ....... finding the nurses to care for these people not so easy
it I take his point that more or less the same number of people are going to die, just more slowly
perhaps less deaths because there will be resources available
italy a prime example. If they hadn’t been so over run with patients they would have treated everyone. 8nstead of triaging them like in a war zone. Only the likeliest to survive get treated
it will be good to be over this and assess what worked, what didn’t who overstepped, why stupid tickets, he parks off limits.....
TORONTO is a great example of a city that has really encouraged downtown living. High density living for singles and families. Then you take away parks from all those parents who have no where else to go with their kids to let off some steam
i get his point that people have to get this so we can create immunity. The missing element there is that all of these closures were to prevent hospitals from being overrun. We could see that in china with hospitals being build. In Italy where if you were over 60 don’t bother coming to hospital. In nyc where parking lots and parks were used to set up field hospitals
and while it is relatively easy to set up beds in conventions centers ....... finding the nurses to care for these people not so easy
it I take his point that more or less the same number of people are going to die, just more slowly
perhaps less deaths because there will be resources available
italy a prime example. If they hadn’t been so over run with patients they would have treated everyone. 8nstead of triaging them like in a war zone. Only the likeliest to survive get treated
it will be good to be over this and assess what worked, what didn’t who overstepped, why stupid tickets, he parks off limits.....
TORONTO is a great example of a city that has really encouraged downtown living. High density living for singles and families. Then you take away parks from all those parents who have no where else to go with their kids to let off some steam
Ritafee
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Dr. Scott Jensen said:
“Last Friday I received a 7-page document that told me if I had an 86-year-old patient that had pneumonia but was never tested for COVID-19 but some time after she came down with pneumonia we learned that she had been exposed to her son who had no symptoms but later on was identified with COVID-19, then it would be appropriate to diagnose on the death certificate COVID-19,”
The entire HHS document can be read here.
Dr. Jensen explained that this is not a normal procedure.
Even if COVID-19 caused pneumonia, the cause of death would still be pneumonia.
The same in the following example: A person who tested positive for COVID-19 leaves the doctor’s office and dies in a car accident, the cause of death is still a car accident. But that is not how the government wants these labeled.
Dr. Birx confirmed this during a COVID-19 task force briefing.
“Can you talk about your concerns about deaths being misreported by Coronavirus because of either testing or standards for how they are characterized?” the reporter asked Birx.
The amount of Americans who are reported to have died from the Coronavirus is based on a CDC coding system that will “result in COVID-19 being the underlying cause more often than not.”
Dr. Birx confirmed this during a COVID-19 task force briefing.
A new ICD code was established to keep track of Coronavirus deaths.
The U07.1 code will be used for death by Coronavirus infection.
However, there’s another secondary code, U07.2, “for clinical or epidemiological diagnosis of COVID-19 where a laboratory confirmation is inconclusive or not available,” the CDC guidelines read.
“The underlying cause depends upon what and where conditions are reported on the death certificate.
However, the rules for coding and selection of the underlying cause of death are expected to result in COVID- 19 being the underlying cause more often than not,” the guidelines read.
Dr. Birx told a reporter during a Coronavirus task force briefing ...
“We’ve taken a very liberal approach to mortality.”
Ritafee
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“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.”
Northwind
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??? Sounds flippant. Needs backing up.
Ritafee
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'Canadian Version' .... case in point:
Peter Bryce was born in Mount Pleasant, Ontario on August 17, 1853.[1] He obtained his medical degree from the University of Toronto, where he studied natural science geology, and went on to study neurology in Paris. He lectured for a time at the Ontario Agricultural College in Guelph, Ontario in science and applied chemistry.[2] Bryce served as the first secretary of the Ontario Board of Health from 1882 to 1904, when he was appointed the Chief Medical Officer of the federal Department of Immigration.[1][3]
Bryce was hired by Indian Affairs Department in Ottawa to report on the health conditions of the Canadian residential school system in western Canada and British Columbia. His report was never released by the government but was published by Bryce in 1922 under the title The Story of a National Crime: Being a Record of the Health Conditions of the Indians of Canada from 1904 to 1921.
Bryce claimed that Indigenous children enrolled in residential schools were deprived of adequate medical attention and sanitary living conditions. He suggested improvements to national policies regarding the care and education of Indigenous peoples.[4][5] In a 1907 report Bryce cited an average mortality rate of between 14% and 24% at the schools and a shocking 42% infant mortality rate on the reserves, this due to sick children being sent home to die.[6]:9 Bryce noted that the lack of certainty about the exact number of deaths was, in part, due to the official reports submitted by school principals and "defective way in which the returns had been made."[7]:405
He appealed his forced retirement from the Civil Service in 1921 and was denied, subsequently publishing his suppressed report condemning the treatment of the Indigenous at the hands of the BNA.[8]
Ritafee
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The old saying goes, Truth is Treason in an Empire of Lies, because you can't tell the truth about what the government is doing...
What's Dr Bryce saying today?How does what he said then apply to the current pandemic?
He was hired by the government to do a report ... the government did not like his report so they suppressed his report and fired him. History rhymes?
Northwind
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What is truth? At the best of times there's yours, mine and the truth.
So what's happening specifically today? Not just conjecture.
Ritafee
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Medical Martial Law.
Northwind
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Medical martial law????? Oh please do explain.