Novel Coronavirus

[Lastpointe]

What I have read and heard is that because there is no treatment for the disease, people get fluids, oxygen and then ventilation if they don’t respond. Unlike bacterial pneumonia which can possibly be cured withthe same treatment PLUS heavy dose antibiotics, they don’t have that medication option

so people who deteriorate either recover with that supportive treatment and their own immune system or they die. pretty straightforward

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

I'm basically confined to a little bedroom all day so my roommate and I can keep distance. I have a 10:30 curfew because the only door I can get in and out out with my walker and scooter is my door. This morning workers were jack hammering 12 ft outside my window which is also my door. I can't talk or move around in my room after 10:30 because it wakes up the person above me...every little noise bothers him. I am anxious about getting up to go pee or make tea and it's been harder to sleep because the tension is thick around here. My landlords are arguing and complaining out loud a lot. When I get to go out to work I go straight to being confined to another little room. I can't afford food delivery everyday and I only cook simple meals for myself.

Keep in mind some people are making a greater sacrifice to do this than others. Also doctor "visits" for other things are way down. People are going to get sick from other things so I hope this was worth it.

 

[Ritafee]

Look it up. It does not mean accepting things that need to be changed.

I looked it up as did I look up Draconian being that I myself was not sure of what the terms meant - generally.
I look everything up ... that is what I like to do.
So I accept that people are vulnerable to coronavirus' and that it can and will spread and it will kill directly or indirectly. I accept that 'physical distancing' is a 'rational practice' 'for now' ... I am not convinced that Draconian Laws need to be enforced with violence and added financial hardships ... there must be a better way to reason together.

Yes @ChemGal why are you not heeding Kimmio's wise words? Why am I not?

This type of condescension is not helpful.
There are a lot of kimmio's in the world that are wondering out loud WTF is going on.
I am one of them. Trying to make sense of it all does not put us in the camp of 'crazy' or 'wise' either way. We have questions and we are airing them. We are not 'disobeying' any of the protocols set out for us. We are not a threat to anyone's health. We are just airing our doubts and concerns as to where the 'draconian' measures will lead. It is a valid concern not for ourselves but for those who will suffer the fallout of this 'controlled' collapse of society as we knew it.

I'll repeat what I said above. No one is suggesting this is normal.

I am suggesting that prior to this 'event' I felt that society was acting abnormally and that is what has led us to this normal.
What is the norm today globally? Obey the 'technocratic models' ... shelter in place ... here is your virtual world ... we will deliver your 'rations' ... do not step out of the shelter of AI ... you will be 'monitored and corrected' if 'physically' exerting yourselves outside of your 'social credit class' parameters.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

I looked it up as did I look up Draconian being that I myself was not sure of what the terms meant - generally.
I look everything up ... that is what I like to do.
So I accept that people are vulnerable to coronavirus' and that it can and will spread and it will kill directly or indirectly. I accept that 'physical distancing' is a 'rational practice' 'for now' ... I am not convinced that Draconian Laws need to be enforced with violence and added financial hardships ... there must be a better way to reason together.

This type of condescension is not helpful.
There are a lot of kimmio's in the world that are wondering out loud WTF is going on.
I am one of them. Trying to make sense of it all does not put us in the camp of 'crazy' or 'wise' either way. We have questions and we are airing them. We are not 'disobeying' any of the protocols set out for us. We are not a threat to anyone's health. We are just airing our doubts and concerns as to where the 'draconian' measures will lead. It is a valid concern not for ourselves but for those who will suffer the fallout of this 'controlled' collapse of society as we knew it.

I am suggesting that prior to this 'event' I felt that society was acting abnormally and that is what has led us to this normal.
What is the norm today globally? Obey the 'technocratic models' ... shelter in place ... here is your virtual world ... we will deliver your 'rations' ... do not step out of the shelter of AI ... you will be 'monitored and corrected' if 'physically' exerting yourselves outside of your 'social credit class' parameters.

I don't like the way you chose to word your last paragraph...but I think you're right. Except I think this is a dress rehearsal.

 

[Northwind]

So I accept that people are vulnerable to coronavirus' and that it can and will spread and it will kill directly or indirectly. I accept that 'physical distancing' is a 'rational practice' 'for now' ... I am not convinced that Draconian Laws need to be enforced with violence and added financial hardships ... there must be a better way to reason together.

I also question things. I can be annoying as hell to some around me. That's a variation of how I'm accepting things as well. I'm thankful that a lot of our jurisdictions in Canada are so far not actually being heavy handed. I do know heavier measures have started with checkpoints on the bridge between Ottawa and Hull, and similar measures. Some leaders are trusting that we will follow their guidelines. So far, most of us seem to be doing that. I'm hoping these pretty extreme measures do keep this shorter so we can move forward. Here's hoping more heavy handedness is not needed.

This type of condescension is not helpful.
There are a lot of kimmio's in the world that are wondering out loud WTF is going on.

It may appear to be condescension. I'm actually quite frustrated by an attitude that seems to suggest superior knowledge, etc.

I am suggesting that prior to this 'event' I felt that society was acting abnormally and that is what has led us to this normal.
What is the norm today globally?

I totally agree on this. One thing that concerns me is that this is the culmination of neoliberal policies that have been enacted over the past 20+ years. We have placed more value on the economics of money than on the economics of people and their health. We've cut health care to bare bones. We've enacted "just in time" supply chains. We've asked professionals to do more with less. Now it seems we are paying the piper in people's lives. I really hope this changes things. That being said, I'm not naive, so my cynical side worries. I suppose time will tell.

That is only one of many issues. I know that. I only have enough emotional and physical energy.

I appreciate that you took the time to reflect and respond.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Solitary confinement is defined as torture...keep in mind those who - far more so than me - are confined, with no human connection (and the Internet is not exactly the best replacement.) They can't get outside for safe walks where they are. They may not even have Internet (suppose they relied on the now closed coffee shop's wifi or didn't own an Internet capable device) They are enduring torture. I hope it's worth it...but the numbers are not clear that it is.

 

[Northwind]

I hope it's worth it...but the numbers are not clear that it is.

The numbers of people overwhelming the hospitals in other places are not worth it? If they aren't, what numbers are?

 

[Waterfall]

Solitary confinement is defined as torture...keep in mind those who - far more so than me - are confined, with no human connection (and the Internet is not exactly the best replacement.) They can't get outside for safe walks where they are. They may not even have Internet (suppose they relied on the now closed coffee shop's wifi or didn't own an Internet capable device) They are enduring torture. I hope it's worth it...but the numbers are not clear that it is.

Something tells me that those who are alone may have better survival skills than those who are not used to it.....

 

[Northwind]

Something tells me that those who are alone may have better survival skills than those who are not used to it.....

And being alone is not necessarily a bad thing. Many are quite happy with a craft, a book or other activity. Of course, it's not ideal and we need socialization. This is temporary.

 

[Mendalla]

Being an introvert to start with, I'm not overly upset about being stuck at home. Yeah, I'd like some more socialization, but too much socialization is a problem for me, too, and that's certainly not happening now.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Something tells me that those who are alone may have better survival skills than those who are not used to it.....

Probably, we do. All I really want is my hour a day at the coffee shop. I'm not asking for much.

 

[Northwind]

From our friend @LBmuskoka

"Boris Johnson, UK PM, now in ICU

Is this enough for everyone to take Covid19 seriously.

Words to remember.... “I was at a hospital the other night where I think there were actually a few coronavirus patients and I shook hands with everybody, you’ll be pleased to know, and I continue to shake hands,” Mr Johnson said March 3 2020"

 

[Carolla]

Keep in mind some people are making a greater sacrifice to do this than others.

To some extent I agree with you - but I would say the behavioural changes people are making to protect others and help flatten the curve are different one from another - not necessarily greater or lesser. We can never judge from outside the magnitude of impact of change for another person. This is something I learned long ago in my clinical practice with people experiencing illness & injury. Setting up a hierarchy of 'who's got it worse' never serves anyone well, and often involves assumptions and separates people.

Solitary confinement is defined as torture

In some quarters yes. And yet there are monks & mystics who spend decades in solitude - they would not likely agree that it is torture. I suppose an aspect of having choice about it may be one differentiating factor.

 

[Mendalla]

Yeah, one of my team pointed out that story (referencing @Northwind's post about Boris Johnson). Haven't gone delving for details yet.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

To some extent I agree with you - but I would say the behavioural changes people are making to protect others and help flatten the curve are different one from another - not necessarily greater or lesser. We can never judge from outside the magnitude of impact of change for another person. This is something I learned long ago in my clinical practice with people experiencing illness & injury. Setting up a hierarchy of 'who's got it worse' never serves anyone well, and often involves assumptions and separates people.



In some quarters yes. And yet there are monks & mystics who spend decades in solitude - they would not likely agree that it is torture. I suppose an aspect of having choice about it may be one differentiating factor.

Yeah but I bet I have it worse than you.

 

[Northwind]

Boris Johnson

 

[Ritafee]

What can anyone do about things right now? What would you suggest? I want real actions, not keyboard pontifications.

You are acting in real time ... you are doing what you think is best ... being as creatively active as you are able within your parameters.

And it appears that in spite of being 'immuno' compromised you are in a pretty good position to 'manage' your lifestyle according to your 'normal'. Has much really changed for you ... you have noted that your otherwise 'privileged' access to 'medical systems' has been compromised. Anything else?

As for myself ... things are actually better for me. I do what I always did ... but now it is being 'lauded' as 'good behavior'.

I am, as ever I was, accessing the www ... and discovering more and more dot's connecting reasons for why I

don’t trust the bigger leaders influence or control over information and experts.

I do not trust Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos or Zuckerburg to act in the best interests of humanity during this 'social engineering experiment'.

Putting it in more general terms ... I do not trust the predator class that intentionally suck the life out of the planet and it's natural inhabitants to ensure their minority monopoly of the world's resources as a leveraging tool towards ensuring the debt enslavement of the majority.

This is not my imagination or a conspiracy theory. It is proven over and over and over again that absolute power corrupts.

So fine ... we can all contribute to flattening the curve ... voluntarily doing our best in a bad situation. But we do not have to consent to 'absolute control' and we should be asking questions. For me it is like reading a good mystery novel ... I am fairly certain of how it is going to end ... one way or the other. I have optimism that the tipping point of 'non compliance' with 'normal' may be accelerated as we navigate around this 'expertly controlled plandemic' - freedom cells are spreading and I like to point them out as the better ending way. It is my hobby. There are many experts that are not tied into the system of normal. The Queen and all her minions are not to my mind experts ... they are the puppet show. Pulling the strings ... WHO really knows? UN shadowed?

 

[Northwind]

Yeah but I bet I have it worse than you.

One upmanship is not helpful. It's very divisive and is not a good way to get support.

 

[Northwind]

Has much really changed for you ... you have noted that your otherwise 'privileged' access to 'medical systems' has been compromised. Anything else?

My life is quieter. Other than that, it really hasn't changed a lot. I do know I have a lot to be thankful for on that regard. Access to medical systems does need to be curtailed in some ways at this time. I'm okay. I'm also very thankful to have that access.

I've thought a lot about how this event and the events of the past year would have been very different up north. The health system is very stretched there and it would have been harder, if not next to impossible to access even for my diagnosis. I realize that is a big gap, for lack of a better word right now. If I were still working, I'd be considered an essential service. I'd be working in a petri dish. I worry about my former coworkers. These are all part of my reasons for being concerned about the state of health care.

Putting it in more general terms ... I do not trust the predator class that intentionally suck the life out of the planet and it's natural inhabitants to ensure their minority monopoly of the world's resources as a leveraging tool towards

That is the group that I don't trust. What can we do about them? This is a legitimate question, not a statement of helplessness.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

One upmanship is not helpful. It's very divisive and is not a good way to get support.

2 downsmanship, more like it? I'm not trying to be helpful or unhelpful. Just stating a fact. I don't like it when people try to explain my stresses away through a theoretical framework that makes them sound sanctimonious (and not just this - anyone who uses their professional credentials to dismiss real life) when I just explained up thread what I am living through to do this.