What I found odd about this article is that it starts saying that the virus would have a hard time surviving on inanimate objects but then goes on to tell us how the supermarkets are stepping up the cleaning of inanimate objects....shelves, carts, floors etc....but food in inanimate objects such as cereal, plastic wrap, etc. are what? not considered inanimate objects?
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What I found odd about this article is that it starts saying that the virus would have a hard time surviving on inanimate objects but then goes on to tell us how the supermarkets are stepping up the cleaning of inanimate objects....shelves, carts, floors etc....but food in inanimate objects such as cereal, plastic wrap, etc. are what? not considered inanimate objects?
You should reread the WHOLE article from snopes.
Seriously? Has the world needed this many ventilators for the flu recently before this virus?
Perhaps we won't need ventilators after we know it better and it becomes more like a routine flu that we're familiar with. But right now, with this virus, we're not familiar with it and we're still learning.
Mrs.Anteater
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When I played this, the cat jumped on my lap, rubbed against the ipad loudspeaker and settled. I think she liked it,too.
Mrs.Anteater
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Yes, and I think we would have noticed if 700 people died of flu in 24 hours in Italy before.
ChemGal
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It's conflicting. I don't think we have enough information, so people who I would say have a better background in this than I do don't seem to agree.
So far I haven't been washing off everything.
One big difference with food is the number of people who touch it. It's not like a door handle.
I'm not really sure how we're going to change what we do here, if anything.
Ritafee
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What makes him Dr Joel Kettner an idiot? Be specific please.
Mrs.Anteater
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Sorry, Rita, you followed this thread for a while including the links, you should know it by now, if you could let go of your conspiracy theories.
That difference about how many people touch our food in the supermarket and comparing it to a door handle probably only works if you don't count how many people have touched our food before it reached the grocery store. IMO
From field hands or factories, to someone loading it onto trucks, then possibly onto ships or planes to transport globally, maybe sitting in warehouses, then onto another truck, then unloaded into grocery stores....etc..
The other day at Cosco, they had potatos from Italy.....hmmm......didn't seem too many people were choosing those ones.....right or wrong, I don't know.
GeoFee
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I tend to observe our unfolding history from the sidelines. These days I am suspecting a hidden agenda related to the rise of our recent viral infection. Could it be that the infection was deliberately initiated? Looking back over all our war atrocities and civil dysfunctions it certainly seems within the range of possibility.
Our planet, with it’s diverse persons and peoples, is now being governed by a common set of regulations. All are expected to conform to those regulations. In the background police powers are preparing to enforce those regulations. When they are authorized by the state things will change. At that time nonconformity will bring punitive consequence.
As our crisis unfolds I am aware that millions of children are starving in various parts of the world. This while the Western world eats far more than health requires. We are dying of the many diseases following from our dietary habits. Where is the media specific to this global issue?
Thinking theologically I recall Jesus sitting at table with certain elites. They are worried about contamination rooted in his caring relationship with unclean persons.
Our planet, with it’s diverse persons and peoples, is now being governed by a common set of regulations. All are expected to conform to those regulations. In the background police powers are preparing to enforce those regulations. When they are authorized by the state things will change. At that time nonconformity will bring punitive consequence.
As our crisis unfolds I am aware that millions of children are starving in various parts of the world. This while the Western world eats far more than health requires. We are dying of the many diseases following from our dietary habits. Where is the media specific to this global issue?
Thinking theologically I recall Jesus sitting at table with certain elites. They are worried about contamination rooted in his caring relationship with unclean persons.
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Ritafee
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Has nothing to do with it ... some people pay for their 'dodge' - mismanaged musicians are prime targets it seems.
3. Willie Nelson: After seizing most of his assets in 1990, the federal government forced Willie to pay over $16 million in back taxes and fines for his involvement with a 'bogus tax shelter'. Offering a note of redemption for the famous crooner, it was later discovered that Price Waterhouse had not paid Nelson's taxes for years and invested the funds instead.
Other 'dodgers' are seemed 'too big to fail' and are more often than not rewarded ...
- i.e. Philanthropists, politicians, lobbyists ... along with their bankers and wall street cronies.
GeoFee
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Here is the biblical narrative:
”When Jesus had finished speaking, a Pharisee invited him to eat with him; so he went in and reclined at the table. But the Pharisee was surprised when he noticed that Jesus did not first wash before the meal. Then the Lord said to him, “Now then, you Pharisees clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside you are full of greed and wickedness. You foolish people! Did not the one who made the outside make the inside also? But now as for what is inside you—be generous to the poor, and everything will be clean for you.“
ChemGal
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It depends specifically what you're referring to. For produce - wash it. Cooking it will destroy the virus too.
Boxed, jarred things, they get packed into boxes or shrink wrapped, so it's mostly at the store level they are handled.
Mrs.Anteater
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But keep in mind, that the virus only stays infectious for an hour on cardboard ( drying environment) and three days on plastic and metal and a lot of things are packed by machines. By the time its on the shelf, its more the person who puts it there and the other customers who touch it but not buy it who I would be concerned about.
Carolla
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Didn't you wash your produce BEFORE Covid? I would imagine you all did - I could be wrong tho. It's not a huge change - just good hygiene in general re food prep. Wash your hands before touching/preparing food & eating? Keep your hands away from your face. Yup. Same thing - reinforcement of existing positive health practices. Unless you are immunocompromised or seriously ill - this is likely sufficient.
Ritafee
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Seriously yes it has ... but you were just not being directed to look at the problem the way you are now.
It is my hobby to look at these things on a daily basis and while I understand the threat of the latest virus pandemic ... I do not understand why we are on lock down. People were dying before for lack of respirators ... and people are still dying from surplus war machinery.
Not much has changed other than that we are all now made aware of the problems that I have been noticing for the last 10 years ... and when I have pointed out the this inevitable 'outcome' one way or another I have been dismissed.
Well and good. Those have ears to hear and all that ...
But the corona virus is not the cause of the economic collapse that we are seeing now - and the lockdown is all about controlling the people - not the virus spread - it is being scapegoated as the problem - to implement a reaction - to provide the solution that they have been planning for quite sometime.
Even if the control is lifted in the near future - continuing down this unsustainable trajectory - the people that are not paying close attention - are going to demand 'that the rest of us relinquish our freedom' and follow their path to enslavement for the 'common good'.
There are still a number of people who value freedom and common sense approaches to living a quality of life that goes beyond staying 'safe'.
There does not appear to be much need of my continuing with my type of commentary here.
There are people that understand full well what I am getting at ... some of them are here ... and they are not afraid.
My hope is that they will prevail.
It will be extremely difficult given the majority are lining up for 'totalitarian technocratic overlords' to save the day.
We will see what comes of this.
I will be rooting for the best to triumph but am fully prepared to accept that if the majority demand to be corralled as the 'human capital' of the 'powers that should not be' - we are doomed as humans being.
I'm still holding on to my little wild bouquet - and if you want me to let it go - you will have to pry it out of my cold dead hands.
I suspect many will be more than happy to do just that. I am really really going to try not to post in this thread again.
ChemGal
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It's the during preparation that's the issue. I mentioned before the issues when doing gluten-free preparation in a non gluten-free kitchen. Dealing with this could be similar or else wiping down all packaging before putting it away (I think that video was shared here) - that can be quite excessive.
Carolla
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I agree - it can be excessive - in my view. People will ultimately do what makes most sense to them. Weighing out the likelihood of transmission by various vectors - eg via food packaging vs the extent of effort to clean will tip the balance for some. Time since packaging/prep is also a consideration. The virus does not last (as far as we know) forever on surfaces.
I think gluten-free prep is a separate issue - gluten is either there or not - doesn't go away after a bit as the virus does. Some people can tolerate a bit - others none at all. So different methods for different people.
I think gluten-free prep is a separate issue - gluten is either there or not - doesn't go away after a bit as the virus does. Some people can tolerate a bit - others none at all. So different methods for different people.
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As someone with a depressive/anxiety illness I really, really, appreciate your balanced comments, Carolla.
Keep posting, folks like me need you more than ever!
I was at the supermarket - same one in the same neighbourhood my neighbours and landlords upstairs shop at. There was a line up outside. They just started doing it today. Security guard was only letting 4-5 ppl in at at time to avoid crowding in the store (it was 5 pm and I should've known better than to go at that time). They were controlling distancing from the end of the aisles to the check out lines too. It was nearly impossible to give myself 2 meters between ever person, trying to carry a hand basket and maneuver my scooter at the same time, and get around through the aisles because ppl were lined up, to get to the express aisle which is the only one I can use because it's straight - even though I had more than 10 items. I didn't even realize what the system was until I crossed in front of ppl.