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Time for anti bodean response to antigens ... and all was consumed in making something alternate!

Tis a poly misunderstood processing mode ...
 
Hi Kimmio,
I may be wrong, but I imagine all the time that you let any issue that is heavy on your mind turn you hysterical.

Trump
AOC
Virus
Fascism
Assisted death
...

it may just be the way I interpret your writing style, I guess.

Anyway, I am going to say that I agree with you that we are not going about this virus thing correctly. Shutting down the whole world for something with such a low kill rate is as irresponsible as just letting it run it’s course. But those are two extremes that will probably cause a lot of unnecessary death.

one by hospitals being overrun and then people dying of just about anything that could have easily been handled if there was no covid. The other from loss of production leading to homelessness, suicide, starvation a few months down the road.

Also Ritafee concerns much more plausible. Government control to the max. Military force, one world order, all that stuff.

So, if I was in charge of solutions, I would classify everyone by their risk level, and instead of quarantining everyone, quarantine by health danger. Let everybody 30 and below keep the lights on for a few weeks, but no contact with anyone in quarantine. Then in a few weeks let out the 40’s. Then the 50’s and so on.

trudeau has already threatened martial law.

I am frantically preparing a room so that we can bust MIL who broke hip out of hospital as soon as possible before it gets covid overrun.

She comes with dementia, incontinence, and attitude. And I guess FIL.
 
Preparing a room ... I like the sound of that.
Busting her out ... sounds like a good plan.
Even in the best of times ... dementia in a hospital setting is not well managed.
 
It's really complicated isn't it @Pontifex Geronimo 13

I suspect any response to this unprecedented situation would be subject to criticism and would have flaws. I like some of your ideas.

It would be interesting to be a fly on the wall listening to the discussions that are happening among those who are making decisions.
 
Pontifex Geronimo 13 said:
Anyway, I am going to say that I agree with you that we are not going about this virus thing correctly.

So, if I was in charge of solutions, I would classify everyone by their risk level, and instead of quarantining everyone, quarantine by health danger. Let everybody 30 and below keep the lights on for a few weeks, but no contact with anyone in quarantine. Then in a few weeks let out the 40’s. Then the 50’s and so on.
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First of all let me say Im glad youre not in charge.

Looking back at the Spanish flu and how it was contained in the US should be a lesson learned.
The first wave wasnt as bad as the second wave in America.The first wave just seemed like a regular flu but the second wave was a mutated virus and people started rapidly dying...only a few cities such as San Francisco and St. Louis shut down everything in their city. San Francisco made it law to wear masks and all businesses, schools , social gatherings, all places of amusements, etc were closed. On Nov. 21st 1918, a whistle blew signaling the second wave of the flu was over and the city had one of the lowest mortality rate in the country.
Unfortunately a third wave hit the country in January
1919 and all the business owners in San Francisco convinced the powers that be that it was the masks that saved them the last time and there was no need to shut eveything down this time. The city then suffered one of the highest mortality rates in the country during the third wave.
A 2007 study of the precautions taken showed that had they gone back to a complete shutdown as they had during the first wave they would have been largely unaffected again. It wasnt the masks that saved them the second time, it was the fact they shut everything down early and ahead of most other cities.
 
Waterfall said:
Haven't heard that one.....what do you know about that?
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First and foremost ...

THE 1918-1919 pandemic which killed so many was not 'the flu' or a virus.

It was bacterial.

In 1918, “influenza” or flu was a catchall term for disease of unknown origin.

It didn’t carry the specific meaning it does today.

The first cases of the so called “Spanish Flu” occurred at Fort Riley, Kansas in 1918.

According to a 2008 National Institute of Health paper, bacterial pneumonia was the killer in a minimum of 92% of the 1918-19 autopsies reviewed.

The researchers looked at more than 9000 autopsies, and “there were no negative (bacterial) lung culture results.”
“… In the 68 higher-quality autopsy series,

Summary
  • The reason modern technology has not been able to pinpoint the killer influenza strain from this pandemic is because influenza was not the killer.
  • More soldiers died during WWI from disease than from bullets.
  • The pandemic was not flu. An estimated 95% (or higher) of the deaths were caused by bacterial pneumonia, not influenza/a virus.
  • The pandemic was not Spanish. The first cases of bacterial pneumonia in 1918 trace back to a military base in Fort Riley, Kansas.
  • From January 21 – June 4, 1918, an experimental bacterial meningitis vaccine cultured in horses by the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research in New York was injected into soldiers at Fort Riley.
  • During the remainder of 1918 as those soldiers – often living and traveling under poor sanitary conditions – were sent to Europe to fight, they spread bacteria at every stop between Kansas and the frontline trenches in France.
  • One study describes soldiers “with active infections (who) were aerosolizing the bacteria that colonized their noses and throats, while others—often, in the same “breathing spaces”—were profoundly susceptible to invasion of and rapid spread through their lungs by their own or others’ colonizing bacteria.” (1)
  • The “Spanish Flu” attacked healthy people in their prime. Bacterial pneumonia attacks people in their prime. Flu attacks the young, old and immunocompromised.
  • When WW1 ended on November 11, 1918, soldiers returned to their home countries and colonial outposts, spreading the killer bacterial pneumonia worldwide.
  • During WW1, the Rockefeller Institute also sent the antimeningococcic serum to England, France, Belgium, Italy and other countries, helping spread the epidemic worldwide.
(read the Fort Riley paper in its entirety so you can appreciate the carelessness of the experiments conducted on these troops.)

If hubris at the Rockefeller Institute in 1918 led to a pandemic disease which killed millions of people, what lessons can we learn and apply to 2020?

If the origin of the pandemic involved a vaccine experiment on US soldiers, then the US may prefer calling it Spanish Flu instead of The Fort Riley Bacteria of 1918, or something similar. The Spanish Flu started at the location this experimental bacterial vaccine was given making it the prime suspect as the source of the bacterial infections which killed so many.

It would be much more difficult to maintain the marketing mantra of “vaccines save lives” if a vaccine experiment originating in the United States during the years of primitive manufacturing caused the deaths of 50-100 million people.

Did a Military Experimental Vaccine in 1918 Kill 50-100 Million People Blamed as “Spanish Flu”? - Vaccine Impact

The “Spanish Flu” killed an estimated 50-100 million people during a pandemic 1918-19. What if the story we have been told about this pandemic isn’t true? What if, instead, the killer infection was neither the flu nor Spanish in origin? Newly analyzed documents reveal that the “Spanish Flu” may...
vaccineimpact.com vaccineimpact.com
 
While that's interesting @Ritafee, I would question the source.

Some of what I've read also pointed to movement of troops. Canada sent troops across Canada to help somehow. That of course spread the disease unnecessarily. I also understand that while people did have a flu, it morphed into a pneumonia for many and that's what killed them.

I'll see if I can find the article(s) I read.
 
Pontifex Geronimo 13 said:
Hi Kimmio,
I may be wrong, but I imagine all the time that you let any issue that is heavy on your mind turn you hysterical.

Trump
AOC
Virus
Fascism
Assisted death
...

it may just be the way I interpret your writing style, I guess.

Anyway, I am going to say that I agree with you that we are not going about this virus thing correctly. Shutting down the whole world for something with such a low kill rate is as irresponsible as just letting it run it’s course. But those are two extremes that will probably cause a lot of unnecessary death.

one by hospitals being overrun and then people dying of just about anything that could have easily been handled if there was no covid. The other from loss of production leading to homelessness, suicide, starvation a few months down the road.

Also Ritafee concerns much more plausible. Government control to the max. Military force, one world order, all that stuff.

So, if I was in charge of solutions, I would classify everyone by their risk level, and instead of quarantining everyone, quarantine by health danger. Let everybody 30 and below keep the lights on for a few weeks, but no contact with anyone in quarantine. Then in a few weeks let out the 40’s. Then the 50’s and so on.

trudeau has already threatened martial law.

I am frantically preparing a room so that we can bust MIL who broke hip out of hospital as soon as possible before it gets covid overrun.

She comes with dementia, incontinence, and attitude. And I guess FIL.
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I understand. It's a confusing time. No, I am not hysterical, just skeptical, and sometimes a little pissed about ignorance - my own included. But I can still maintain a sense of humour. My own life hasn't changed drastically. I'm also already fairly isolated and financially challenged. I normally get out and about and talk to people though. I like chit-chatting with strangers and acquaintances, and not having to be 6ft away because then nobody really says hi or chats on the street or in the cafes. I like seeing my friends and even the annoying ones, at work, at church (but I don't go that regularly anyway). My home group friends and I have been emailing/ calling/ texting, more than before, so that's okay.

Looks like I can actually get set up to telecommute, so that's good, not just for now but in the future. If getting to the office is too much for me, I can still put in hours.

I am just concerned that those at risk, not just of physical illness, but mental health, severe loneliness (I have had practice some haven't), financial loss, those who are even less internet savvy than me will feel lost as to what to do, like the elderly, people on the street.

I would not listen to Trump. His whole plan of action is always dictated by his own ego, in the extreme. There are plenty of people of every political stripe like that - but he is the president of the US, with an enormous amount of power, they're not.

In the past few days, I have realized that this sucks, but if people stick together for the positive reasons and do flatten the curve (the former being the most important regardless) - even if the disease doesn't have a high risk of death for most people - good can come out of it. If we don't, that's how it can turn dangerous for society, despite the virus.
 
I'm going to be working at my parents' from their spare room downstairs. It's not far away and I can communicate with them to ensure we keep physical distance and I disinfect what i touch before I leave. My plan is to go straight in, and straight out again, not go upstairs. And disinfect in the downstairs bathroom if I use it...but I'm close enough to go before I get there and when I come back, if it's just a few of hours at a time.

My 80 yr old step dad has been out and about the most of all of us in the past couple of weeks and they and my housemates are basically the only people I have had close contact with. So if we stick to that, it should be fine. They want me to be working. So do I. But, if anyone gets in anyone's way or on their nerves I will just have to tell my boss it can't be done right now. He's okay with that. I told him the circumstances. He understands this is new and it's a challenge.
 
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