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Using an outbreak to beta-test the latest in autocratic control post-outbreak is disaster capitalism gone off the rails.

True. We can't though dismiss the power of the masses. One thing I noticed today was that people gave each other space where I was walking. They also seemed more considerate on the road. The road part is odd considering there must be cranky drivers out there. I'm hoping the masses will decide what is important and act on that. This part of the masses will do my part. Each small step counts.
 
Pulled this from FB:
I’m an intensive care specialist in a small city.

Coronavirus isn’t just like the flu, but it’s only really very dangerous to the elderly or the already unwell. Quite a lot of people in their 80s will die, but most of the rest of us will probably be okay.

If you’re in your 70s and you get Coronavirus, you’ve got a really good chance of survival. If I’ve got a bed for you.
If you’re in your 60s and you have a heart attack, you’ve got a really good chance of survival. If I’ve got a bed for you.
If you’re in your 50s and need bowel cancer surgery, you’ve got a really good chance of survival. If I’ve got a bed for you.
If you’re in your 40s and have a bad car accident, you’ve got a really good chance of survival. If I’ve got a bed for you.
If you’re in your 30s and have terrible pre-eclampsia as a complication of pregnancy, you’ve got a really good chance of survival. If I’ve got a bed for you.
If you’re in your 20s and have a bad reaction to a party drug, you’ve got a really good chance of survival. If I’ve got a bed for you.
I have 7 beds equipped with life support machines. We have a plan to increase to about 25. Getting more isn’t a matter or more equipment or more money, that bit is easy. There are not enough skilled staff, even if we all work double shifts every day for six months (and we probably will).
If 50% of my city gets infected, that’s 75,000 people. If 5% of them need life support (which is the estimate), that’s 3750 people. For 25 beds.
And then I might not have a bed for you.
So it’s up to you to flatten the curve. Wash your hands. Stay home.
 
Pulled this from FB:
I’m an intensive care specialist in a small city.

Coronavirus isn’t just like the flu, but it’s only really very dangerous to the elderly or the already unwell. Quite a lot of people in their 80s will die, but most of the rest of us will probably be okay.

If you’re in your 70s and you get Coronavirus, you’ve got a really good chance of survival. If I’ve got a bed for you.
If you’re in your 60s and you have a heart attack, you’ve got a really good chance of survival. If I’ve got a bed for you.
If you’re in your 50s and need bowel cancer surgery, you’ve got a really good chance of survival. If I’ve got a bed for you.
If you’re in your 40s and have a bad car accident, you’ve got a really good chance of survival. If I’ve got a bed for you.
If you’re in your 30s and have terrible pre-eclampsia as a complication of pregnancy, you’ve got a really good chance of survival. If I’ve got a bed for you.
If you’re in your 20s and have a bad reaction to a party drug, you’ve got a really good chance of survival. If I’ve got a bed for you.
I have 7 beds equipped with life support machines. We have a plan to increase to about 25. Getting more isn’t a matter or more equipment or more money, that bit is easy. There are not enough skilled staff, even if we all work double shifts every day for six months (and we probably will).
If 50% of my city gets infected, that’s 75,000 people. If 5% of them need life support (which is the estimate), that’s 3750 people. For 25 beds.
And then I might not have a bed for you.
So it’s up to you to flatten the curve. Wash your hands. Stay home.
If you are in your 70s and you get community acquired pneumonia, same thing. That’s not a reason to do this. It just isn’t. I’m witnessing worrisome social consequences beginning already. My life hasn’t changed much...it’s still difficult, and not terribly busy...I’m used to crap and more crap, for years now...but this is wearing on a few people I know already. The “novel-ty” is starting to wear off already.

My step dad said, a few days that feels in some ways like a month ago, “There’ll probably be some looting.” ...Maybe worse. I don’t even want to think about it.

I was pissed off for unrelated/ related reasons...went for a spin on my scooter last night for a good 1/2 hr or 40 minutes, and had a good cry. I just let it all out, and rode around until I felt better. I didn’t give a s**t what the socially distanced small dog walkers, when they saw me stopped for a minute and just looked at me and kept going, thought of that. There were teenagers in the dimly lit playground that I passed by. It was mostly teenagers out, if anyone at all. I went around the empty parking lot of the supermarket - drove up to the closed doors to read the signs, “Two cleaning items and paper products per customer. We are practicing social distancing and....” (couldn’t see the rest, there was a glare on the glass...but Kathy with the blue roof told me earlier they were also limiting milk - which ran out last I was there - bread, and meat to 2 per person. That’s a good thing, she thought, except her kids go through four litres fast). It was closed at 8:00. Usually open until 11. The few shops in the complex were closed. A girl, I think grocery staff, maybe in her early 20’s, was sitting on the front curb on speaker phone with a friend, saying they are closing earlier tomorrow and “we’re on emergency provisions now” or something like that. Her friend was saying, “Can they even do that?! Just change the hours and cut staff like that?! I mean it’s like, what the?...” I rode away. Shouldn’t eavesdrop. It was eerie, and I heard some teenagers arguing in another parking lot across the street. The road was pretty much deserted...one man walked past me. I didn’t feel safe stopping on the corner, on a shopping corner in suburbia, because nobody was around and the air felt strange. I shudder to think what downtown might look like next week, or even now. I haven’t been down there in 10 days and it was already getting a bit more tense in places. I think, and feel deep in my gut, that this particular approach to this particular virus is not right. But it doesn’t matter what I think. It never did. We have to carry on like this anyway for now or the centre cannot hold. My hope is that if the stats show in the next little while that this approach is not necessary, they will end this. But I feel concerned that ‘they’ don’t really ever want to end this.
 
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And here is an 'expert' that I agree with whole-heartedly:

Rob Wallace is an evolutionary biologist and phylogeographer for public health in the USA. He has been working for twenty-five years on various aspects of new pandemics and is the author of the book “Big Farms Make Big Flu”.

Who is to blame?

I said industrial agriculture, but there’s a larger scope to it. Capital is spearheading land grabs into the last of primary forest and smallholder-held farmland worldwide. These investments drive the deforestation and development leading to disease emergence. The functional diversity and complexity these huge tracts of land represent are being streamlined in such a way that previously boxed-in pathogens are spilling over into local livestock and human communities.


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@Ritafee I watched the clip you posted. I'm not familiar with GNN. Can you tell me more about it? I will also do some homework here.

I found what the speakers were saying interesting. I agree, this pandemic is exposing cracks in the system and worse, the consequences of some of the policies we've seen implemented over the last few decades. Just in time. Profit over people. Slashing health care. Etc. I can see the dire consequences outlined. I hope they don't come to pass, though I'm not sure.

We've talked about the impact on our homeless population and marginalized people in general. As I was watching this clip end, I thought of the communities of extreme poverty in places like Johannesburg or India. I can't even imagine the impact the pandemic will have on those places. Sadly, there are some who will say it's cleansing. :(

I'm also concerned about the percentage of voice that bankers and similar people have in that pandemic conference. I do hope there were people who see the ground level of life there too.

There does need to be an interdisciplinary collaborative approach.
 
I've heard that too, in fact I believe there was something in the spring break article about how other resort areas are responsible for spread. :(
Yeah, plus it sounds like a fair number of people live in one country and work/do work in another regularly between Italy and Switzerland.
 
These are some of the things I'm concerned about here - and also think it was stupid and irresponsible for these events to go one.
Curling - Doctor has COVID-19 after attending Edmonton medical curling bonspiel

And the dental conference -
Alberta Health Services has confirmed at least one attendee failed to self-isolate after being directed to do so and an infectious disease expert says determining the actions of all who attended would be next to impossible.
 
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I found what the speakers were saying interesting. I agree, this pandemic is exposing cracks in the system and worse, the consequences of some of the policies we've seen implemented over the last few decades.

Floss in the system like a'gape in rationality? It is possibly abstract against the absolutely sure they know it all as some of the greatest of whirl 'd leaders ... frozen in a lapsland ...

How slick can the hard stoned get?

Imagine a highly trained medical authority reverting to a previous state of laps ...

My doctor says there is no such thing as chronic disorders ... thus dragging congestive heart problems into another arena. If you cough from such longer term misfortunes in drug stores in NB ... you will be asked to leave as if you suffered leprosy ... a non prosaic treatment?

Tell me that life is not lacking intelligence due to the authorities that stated in a book of law in the ancient past that: knowledge and those processing it are dangerous!
 
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How about a holistic approach that vaccinates and cleans. :unsure:
I think you know my position on that - NO MANDATORY VACCINES.

Coronavirus provides opportunity for governments world round to introduce one of their favorite agendas – mandatory vaccination.

Truthfully, I have no idea what is in that needle when it gets injected ...

Enter:
The ID2020 Alliance, as it’s being called, is a digital identity program that aims to “leverage immunization” as a means of inserting tiny microchips into people’s bodies.

 
The human family has lived in nature for thousands of generations. Disease and death were addressed spiritually. This until about 500 years ago, when intellectual elites thought it possible to subject nature to human will and desire. Since then we have journeyed along the way now clearly manifest. Our determination to adopt mechanics (technology) to master nature has set in motion diverse threats to human well being. This includes the rapidly mutating viruses now appearing.
 
Holistic medicine passed over for a pile of pills ... but not allowed for anything from chronus ... anything temporal ... requiring time to sink in!

Imagine myths are below us ... all in the spades!
 
Prison policies make hygienic practices recommended by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, such as washing hands frequently with soap and water, nearly impossible. Hand sanitizer, which has alcohol, is prohibited in prisons (though New York prisoners are manufacturing hand sanitizer for outside use, and are paid an average of 65 cents per hour). Many prisoners are in cells without hot water and, sometimes, without working sinks.

Iran temporarily released 85,000 prisoners to slow the spread of COVID-19.

In the United States, advocates in Indiana, Illinois, Louisiana, Mississippi, California and New York are demanding that their states do the same.

 
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