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Northwind said:
The idea of ‘imposed isolations’ falls into this same psychology... its the feeling of not having control
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After having a colonoscopy tomorrow, I'm going in for a bit of imposed isolation..... My concern is a strange one - I enjoy my own company -but due to mental health concerns - the lack of contact with others is detrimental for my mental health.
I'll use my phone - but somehow the phone doesn't give me the emotional comfort and support that being with people in person does. (Same for social media).

I noticed today when my neighbours and I all went out on our balconies and talked (like the Italians!) and I returned inside my apartment, my mood had lifted somewhat.... Also, although I've become quite good at physical distancing, physical contact (hugging) is important to me (living on my own) and I feel the loss already.

I feel depressed at thinking this could go on for months - but it is better than throwing caution to the wind and risking severe illness/death.

Methinks I'll have to resort to my friend resilience - which is now reminding me that at least I'm retired, and have a pension to support me. Gratitude can assist us all, if we allow ourselves to see it........
 
Kimmio

I honestly don’t know what you get on about. Do I know people couldn’t scrape together $500. Of course I do. I am aware that cetain groups of people will be hardest hit. The poor, the elderly, the lonely , the ill, Some who will die of the virus. others who will suffer from loss of work

others are trying to offer some support and ideas

i too have been reading. Things seem to be changing hourly as governments decide what to do, how much to offer for help. How to coordinate it.......

as I read, and watch I see people stepping up and doing great things. I also see people scared and hoarding. I see my kids worried about themselves, their dad

i see my son working all weekend to help his employer try to salavage their fundraiser that allows children with cancer to get to summer. And I am worried about his asthma and his health

i see people offering to get groceries. I see good suggestions for reaching out to friends. I see where Facebook can be useful. Facebook groups have popping up all over. “How can I help“ groups. Have you reached out to any in your area?

i also see stories of people taking advantage.

I see people frantically worried about the economy. The stock market. Their retirement savings, their inability to pay rent. I have no idea why you think I don’t know people can’t find $500.

you don’t think anyone will offer help to you. Ask. Find out. Apply. Talk to your boss. What can you do from home to get paid.
you are scared. I get it. but your fall back attitude is. “ I have a tough time and no one helps me”. Get off your ass and find out who can help you
 
Then stop just complaining on one hand and on the other saying people are over reacting because more people die from the flu

fight for what you need to survive. Your elected officials, Facebook, city supports, your friends, family, boss, .......
 
Lastpointe said:
Kimmio

I honestly don’t know what you get on about. Do I know people couldn’t scrape together $500. Of course I do. I am aware that cetain groups of people will be hardest hit. The poor, the elderly, the lonely , the ill, Some who will die of the virus. others who will suffer from loss of work

others are trying to offer some support and ideas

i too have been reading. Things seem to be changing hourly as governments decide what to do, how much to offer for help. How to coordinate it.......

as I read, and watch I see people stepping up and doing great things. I also see people scared and hoarding. I see my kids worried about themselves, their dad

i see my son working all weekend to help his employer try to salavage their fundraiser that allows children with cancer to get to summer. And I am worried about his asthma and his health

i see people offering to get groceries. I see good suggestions for reaching out to friends. I see where Facebook can be useful. Facebook groups have popping up all over. “How can I help“ groups. Have you reached out to any in your area?

i also see stories of people taking advantage.

I see people frantically worried about the economy. The stock market. Their retirement savings, their inability to pay rent. I have no idea why you think I don’t know people can’t find $500.

you don’t think anyone will offer help to you. Ask. Find out. Apply. Talk to your boss. What can you do from home to get paid.
you are scared. I get it. but your fall back attitude is. “ I have a tough time and no one helps me”. Get off your ass and find out who can help you
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I don't see anyone helping anyone. I see hoarding shoppers, landlord/ step siblings who refuse to acknowledge anything is happening at all. Like they are in total denial and it'll break them - they don't watch the news at all - they might totally freak out when they come out of it. I'm waiting for that shoe to drop. Above my head, literally. My step father asked everyone he knows before this happened to not put any stress on him because it's affecting his sleep and general health, and my mother is on about being in a risk group but she has a cold, and is still going out anyway herself...but concerned, as always, primarily for herself not her loved ones or anyone she might give her cold to. I know not of where all these good people are. They're not here in this town. My neighbours across the street don't talk to me when I see them, my landlords keep to themselves, my roommate keeps to herself. She's either been out or self isolated from the day she moved in which had nothing to do with this. She doesn't communicate with me. I'm just older and she's not interested in this place as home. It's a study and crash pad for her...everybody keeps to themselves except my church folks and church is cancelled. It's an anomaly, my church. We don't really have outreach because 95% of the congregation is under 45 and middle class. So, it's just cancelled. This is probably the worst city in Canada to be in a crisis in terms of neighbourliness. But possibly the prettiest to go out for a walk (or spin) around the block, this time of year. You can smell spring in the air, and that's good at least.
 
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Then look around. your Room mate isn’t a friend. So be it. That isn’t something new. You are two people sharing a flat

but if you look around you will see lots of people helping. Facebook, other social media, I have seen people putting up notices for offers to drive

grocery stores who don’t normally offer pick up at the curb are now

contact your church to ask for help. Is there soneone who can help with what you need. Though I am not sure what you need

my niece is helping me, she is delivering groceries because we are isolating. I actually prefer to think of it as a quarantine. We are staying away from everyone in case we have something

listen to the radio. I have hear talk shows offering to link people together. My sons apartment building, someone slipped notes under doors offering to run errands

open your eyes

and if there isn’t something in your area, start something yourself. set up a message board on Facebook of needs and assistance. All into city hall and ask them how to access help. Call the Salvation Army.
call your church and ask how they are linking people together
 
Lastpointe said:
Then look around. your Room mate isn’t a friend. So be it. That isn’t something new. You are two people sharing a flat

but if you look around you will see lots of people helping. Facebook, other social media, I have seen people putting up notices for offers to drive

grocery stores who don’t normally offer pick up at the curb are now

contact your church to ask for help. Is there soneone who can help with what you need. Though I am not sure what you need

my niece is helping me, she is delivering groceries because we are isolating. I actually prefer to think of it as a quarantine. We are staying away from everyone in case we have something

listen to the radio. I have hear talk shows offering to link people together. My sons apartment building, someone slipped notes under doors offering to run errands

open your eyes

and if there isn’t something in your area, start something yourself. set up a message board on Facebook of needs and assistance. All into city hall and ask them how to access help. Call the Salvation Army.
call your church and ask how they are linking people together
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My church doesn't have a phone number or its own office. Only email. Lol.
 
How would you feel, in the midst of your community, if you had to call Salvation Army Lastpointe? In Vancouver I wouldn't feel shame. It's big and anonymous anyway so who cares? Nobody's judging and if they are they need a better hobby. Here it's different - where the demographic is more upper crusty in my neighbourhood (and most places in this city) and everyone I know is in that demographic where God apparently helps those who help themselves... People are not that helpful but they are nosey. Its hard to do. But I will if and when my food runs out.
 
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That is a tough comment. Asking for help can be hard. But there will be people offering help. I am sorry you dont feel you can ask.

me? I am not proud. I ask for help all the time. And I happily give help too

start looking on line. There will be help. Paper says the government is making an announcement today.

your church has email. So email them. Email the larger body of the church whatever denomination

people want to help
 
I'm actually afraid that if I needed the food bank - I only know of one main one in town, one of my ministers volunteers there and they might be embarrassed, we'd be mutually embarrassed if I went in there and saw them.

I really don't like this town but I am stuck here now way longer than I ever planned because I will never be saving any money, it looks like. Just when I think maybe I can, something comes up and I can't. I wasn't thinking the next reason would be a pandemic response that seems disproportionate to the illness, though. Gotta say...pandemic? ...good one, well played, "powers that be". You caught us off guard. Didn't see this, specifically, coming,
 
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Life is a s**tstorm ... pa'Dei caused when carrying a bucket over it over the rainbow! Anxious words from one worrying about the whole thing rising in dissonance ... may be caused by the boGUNs that don;t like fringe people forming circles ... they're all about us --- Pogo!

Yet the world remains shades of green, blue and dun ... and very fertile it appears!
 
Ontario has been declared to be in a state of emergency. Restaurants, bars, schools, dayscares, etc....closed....grocery stores, pharmacies, hospitals, and other essentials still open.
 
I wish I knew how to respond. Today at ICU rounds the team was talking about how everyone is trying to help. Med students who are off class are madly reviewing all the research and providing summaries to docs on the front lines. Nurses are are volunteering to take extra shifts. There are facebook pages that match who needs help and who can offer help.

Kimmio - I think we all agree with you. That people are vulnerable to COVID, but many are also vulnerable for other reasons. Because they are poor, isolated, need to work, and so on. Self-isolation hurts lots of people. Moving through the community hurts lots more. Stay at home and do everything you can to stay connected and healthy. While it sucks, it is the only way to reduce possible deaths. It is the best way to protect your physical health.

Like you I am worried about the secondary deaths. Matthew likely doesn't have COVID, but he could be kicked out of the ICU the minute COVID patients with higher survivability rates flood the hospital. I am praying for one his speediest recoveries so that we can get the hell outta here.

Kimmio. If you lived near me I would drop some soup off. I make a decent pot of soup. My chocolate chip brownies are even better. If you can't pay your rent PM me your email and I will send you funds to help. This is scary. I am overwhelmed. I understand how you feel.

Matthew likely doesn't have COVID (we won't know for another 48 hours because of the volume of testing). Unfortunately chronic aspiration pneumonia is also bad news. It means that he is less able to manage his airway and he is getting weaker. Statistically speaking, people with Matthew's underlying medical conditions will die of pneumonia. I had hoped that his December admission was a "one off". I am very worried that less than three months later he is back on a ventilator because he aspirated his own saliva. My biggest fear has always been a protracted downward spiral with increasingly poorer quality of life. We're not there yet, but I am terrified we have started that journey.
 
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DaisyJane said:
I wish I knew how to respond. Today at ICU rounds the team was talking about how everyone is trying to help. Med students who are off class are madly reviewing all the research and providing summaries to docs on the front lines. Nurses are are volunteering to take extra shifts. There are facebook pages that match who needs help and who can offer help.

I think we all agree with you. That people are vulnerable to COVID, but many are also vulnerable for other reasons. Because they are poor, isolated, need to work, and so on. Self-isolation hurts lots of people. Moving through the community hurts lots more. Stay at home and do everything you can to stay connected and healthy. While it sucks, it is the only way to reduce possible deaths. It is the best way to protect your physical health.

Like you I am worried about the secondary deaths. Matthew likely doesn't have COVID, but he could be kicked out of the ICU the minute COVID patients with higher survivability rates flood the hospital. I am praying for one his speediest recoveries so that we can get the hell outta here.

Kimmio. If you lived near me I would drop some soup off. I make a decent pot of soup. My chocolate chip brownies are even better. If you can't pay your rent PM me your email and I will send you funds to help. This is scary. I am overwhelmed. I understand how you feel.

Matthew likely doesn't have COVID (we won't know for another 48 hours because of the volume of testing). Unfortunately chronic aspiration pneumonia is also bad news. It means that he is less able to manage his airway and he is getting weaker. Statistically speaking, people with Matthew's underlying medical conditions will die of pneumonia. I had hoped that his December admission was a "one off". I am very worried that less than three months later he is back on a ventilator because he aspirated his own saliva. My biggest fear has always been a protracted downward spiral with increasingly poorer quality of life. We're not there yet, but I am terrified we have started that journey.
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Hear yah Daisy ... I'm struggling with a similar condition although my primary GP tells me it isn't a concern. He also stated that the nose is not a body orifice ... infections thereof cardiac specialists tell me I should avoid like the plague. Where should one turn?

Another older friend stated that maybe it is time to take High Flight ... one must admit it is a surely earth ...
 
DaisyJane said:
I wish I knew how to respond. Today at ICU rounds the team was talking about how everyone is trying to help. Med students who are off class are madly reviewing all the research and providing summaries to docs on the front lines. Nurses are are volunteering to take extra shifts. There are facebook pages that match who needs help and who can offer help.

I think we all agree with you. That people are vulnerable to COVID, but many are also vulnerable for other reasons. Because they are poor, isolated, need to work, and so on. Self-isolation hurts lots of people. Moving through the community hurts lots more. Stay at home and do everything you can to stay connected and healthy. While it sucks, it is the only way to reduce possible deaths. It is the best way to protect your physical health.

Like you I am worried about the secondary deaths. Matthew likely doesn't have COVID, but he could be kicked out of the ICU the minute COVID patients with higher survivability rates flood the hospital. I am praying for one his speediest recoveries so that we can get the hell outta here.

Kimmio. If you lived near me I would drop some soup off. I make a decent pot of soup. My chocolate chip brownies are even better. If you can't pay your rent PM me your email and I will send you funds to help. This is scary. I am overwhelmed. I understand how you feel.

Matthew likely doesn't have COVID (we won't know for another 48 hours because of the volume of testing). Unfortunately chronic aspiration pneumonia is also bad news. It means that he is less able to manage his airway and he is getting weaker. Statistically speaking, people with Matthew's underlying medical conditions will die of pneumonia. I had hoped that his December admission was a "one off". I am very worried that less than three months later he is back on a ventilator because he aspirated his own saliva. My biggest fear has always been a protracted downward spiral with increasingly poorer quality of life. We're not there yet, but I am terrified we have started that journey.
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I like some of what you wrote and really feel your concern, pain with the rest. I hope Matthew can go home soon.
 
I'm seeing so many helping each other out.
Our neighbourhood copied another, today people are putting out shamrocks on their doors (I'm not, but no kids, not artsy). It's something for people to do with the kids - both the art aspect and then walking around the neighbourhood and spotting them.
People are offering help with childcare. People are offering to get groceries and other supplies for others. Someone I know is posting videos to facebook on some school plan ideas. Teachers were calling parents on Sunday night to let them know lesson plans would be up sometime this week, just not on Monday. School wasn't even cancelled until 4:30 pm on Sunday, and that's what the teachers were doing. They packed up the desks and other belongings and placed them into labelled garbage bags for parents to pick up. Those who teach exercise classes are putting them online - yes some are still paid for the income, but all of the ones I have seen also are setting up free groups too, to encourage those who are just doing their own workouts at home instead of paying for a specific streamed class.

I see help in many forms all around.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
I don't see anyone helping anyone. I see hoarding shoppers, landlord/ step siblings who refuse to acknowledge anything is happening at all. Like they are in total denial and it'll break them - they don't watch the news at all - they might totally freak out when they come out of it. I'm waiting for that shoe to drop. Above my head, literally. My step father asked everyone he knows before this happened to not put any stress on him because it's affecting his sleep and general health, and my mother is on about being in a risk group but she has a cold, and is still going out anyway herself...but concerned, as always, primarily for herself not her loved ones or anyone she might give her cold to. I know not of where all these good people are. They're not here in this town. My neighbours across the street don't talk to me when I see them, my landlords keep to themselves, my roommate keeps to herself. She's either been out or self isolated from the day she moved in which had nothing to do with this. She doesn't communicate with me. I'm just older and she's not interested in this place as home. It's a study and crash pad for her...everybody keeps to themselves except my church folks and church is cancelled. It's an anomaly, my church. We don't really have outreach because 95% of the congregation is under 45 and middle class. So, it's just cancelled. This is probably the worst city in Canada to be in a crisis in terms of neighbourliness. But possibly the prettiest to go out for a walk (or spin) around the block, this time of year. You can smell spring in the air, and that's good at least.
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Does your church have a facebook group or page? Twitter?
 
A wonderful post DaisyJane. Honest, feeling, thinking. I am sorry you have the worry of Matthew's worsening health situation, but impressed at how you don't appear to be falling apart. We are told that when circumstances are hard there is always someone hoeing a harder row. We don't know whether we are the person with the hard row or the inspiration for someone with a harder row.

Thank you for your sharing and your generous response to Kimmio.
 
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