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I intended to make an appointment to see my doc yesterday but didn't bother. I have an umbilical hernia that could use stitching up. I decided it could carry on waiting as I don't want to be at the hospital when sick people start arriving - as I'm sure they will.

Hubby decided to make a trip downtown (to get items I reminded him to get last week). I'll check with him later and let you know what the stores were like in small town rural SK.
 
I learned today that the hospital entrance by the cancer clinic here now has protocols for everyone entering. You have to use hand sanitizer on the way in. I'm guessing they're screening too. That's reassuring since I have an appointment next week.
 
Northwind said:
I learned today that the hospital entrance by the cancer clinic here now has protocols for everyone entering. You have to use hand sanitizer on the way in. I'm guessing they're screening too. That's reassuring since I have an appointment next week.
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I actually think that should be normal.
 
ChemGal said:
I actually think that should be normal.
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I agree. I'm wondering if this will change protocols in the long run. The cancer agency in Victoria had a sign up in December. It mentioned about the flu and illnesses around and asked people to use hand sanitizer on the way in to the building. I suspect they're being stronger now and enforcing it.
 
I have a couple of questions.

First, I saw a product called "cleaning vinegar" in a spray bottle. It comes in plain and natural lemon scent. There are no harsh chemicals besides vinegar. Will that work? I can't stand bleach or ammonia. We have both ordinary bleach and ammonia in the laundry room. Even lemon sudsy ammonia. It's okay to freshen the sheets in the wash with less detergent (the detergent and water seems to neutralize the ammonia smell) but otherwise it's gross...

Everywhere is out of hand sanitizer and hand wipes and Lysol/ Mr.Clean/ Clorox wipes, etc. I was reading labels on baby wipes - which I often carry with me anyway - I found one with two types of alcohol in it which I would normally not buy, but for now, was wondering if they'd do any good.

I called a neighbourhood pharmacy that's less busy - and they have 70% and 90% rubbing alcohol. Could I dilute that in a spray bottle to carry with me for hands and surfaces? Which one, how much dilution with water?

The other thing is, if this is an airborne "aerosol" spreading disease then you could wipe surfaces all day long and still get it anywhere where you're in an air conditioned space with others, breathing the same air, no?
 
There are some neet peroxide products that come in spray bottles ...

Some authorities are contrary to their use causing me to believe if it is because they are a cheap alternate to expensive options funded by medical investments. It is said doctors are highly invested in pharmaceuticals ... thus cutting it on both ends ... but one shouldn't drink it as the by-products resemble phenols, ketones and all that crap ... but chlorophenols are outed!

It remains a scientific oddity ... and complex!
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
The other thing is, if this is an airborne "aerosol" spreading disease then you could wipe surfaces all day long and still get it anywhere where you're in an air conditioned space with others, breathing the same air, no?
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This is one thing I've thought about.

You don't need "cleaning" vinegar, regular vinegar is fine for cleaning. We gave up commercial cleaners and have been using things like vinegar, baking soda and the like for some time. In some cases, these things do a better job.

I've been under the impression that vinegar is a disinfectant. I just looked it up and it is at least an antibacterial cleaner, which of course isn't useful for viruses. Still, it can't hurt. Does vinegar kill germs?

I've been looking into using hydrogen peroxide for cleaning. My husband uses it to clean veggies and says it will work for disinfecting. My research supports that so I am going to try that.

Thieves oil is also supposed to be good too. That's new to me

There all kinds of good products for cleaning that don't involve chemicals.
 
Luce NDs said:
There are some neet peroxide products that come in spray bottles ...

Some authorities are contrary to their use causing me to believe if it is because they are a cheap alternate to expensive options funded by medical investments. It is said doctors are highly invested in pharmaceuticals ... thus cutting it on both ends ... but one shouldn't drink it as the by-products resemble phenols, ketones and all that crap ... but chlorophenols are outed!

It remains a scientific oddity ... and complex!
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I had a spray bottle of peroxide - bought it to clean earrings -somewhere and I can't find it. Stores are selling out of that too.
 
Northwind said:
This is one thing I've thought about.

You don't need "cleaning" vinegar, regular vinegar is fine for cleaning. We gave up commercial cleaners and have been using things like vinegar, baking soda and the like for some time. In some cases, these things do a better job.

I've been under the impression that vinegar is a disinfectant. I just looked it up and it is at least an antibacterial cleaner, which of course isn't useful for viruses. Still, it can't hurt. Does vinegar kill germs?

I've been looking into using hydrogen peroxide for cleaning. My husband uses it to clean veggies and says it will work for disinfecting. My research supports that so I am going to try that.

Thieves oil is also supposed to be good too. That's new to me

There all kinds of good products for cleaning that don't involve chemicals.
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Apple cider vinegar is promoted a lot - not for this specifically, but for household and hygiene uses generally. But is it any better (besides maybe it smells a bit better)?
 
Be very cautious of tea tree oil as it is irritating of raw tissue ... similar to turpentine! It does have peculiar characteristics that appear poorly understood ...
 
Northwind said:
I agree. I'm wondering if this will change protocols in the long run. The cancer agency in Victoria had a sign up in December. It mentioned about the flu and illnesses around and asked people to use hand sanitizer on the way in to the building. I suspect they're being stronger now and enforcing it.
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Most hospitals & clinics, and some community centres etc have dispensers at their entry point & invite people to sanitize upon entry AND exit. During SARS, H1N1 outbreaks etc this became more mandatory - these stations were 'manned' - often by a volunteer; wider lobby type entries were blocked to funnel people toward the dispensers etc. I haven't been to any hospitals lately, but I imagine this will be coming next week.

A friend was a court type facility last week - they were complaining that apparently people were stealing the bottles of sani from the tables etc. So many facilities have them bolted to the wall etc instead.
 
Our local health authority has hand sanitizer stations inside every entrance. Well, most entrances. When we were visiting my sister in January, we left through one door that didn't have one. :(
 
Our local health department still mandates that the screening only involves asking people if they've recently visited China......they are not asking about any recent travel to other global "hotspots"....it's time they updated these questions IMO.
They are to use sanitizer on entrance.
 
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