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Interesting that the people who know what they're talking about all seem to disagree with you.
Have you noticed that pattern?
Why do you think that might be?
 
Redbaron said:
Interesting that the people who know what they're talking about all seem to disagree with you.
Have you noticed that pattern?
Why do you think that might be?
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you make it sound like I engaged in conversation with him .
He's a historian not a business man, but you progressives do stick together
 
So a "smart businessman" gets successful by scamming people, selling fraudulent products, overcharging for sub-par goods, using charity money for personal business, declaring bankruptcy (getting government welfare to bail him out millions of dollars several times over), then getting back on his high horse and doing it all over again...again and again. That's "smart"? I guess I didn't get that memo.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
So a "smart businessman" gets successful by scamming people, using charity money for personal business, declaring bankruptcy (getting government welfare to bail him out millions of dollars several times over), then getting back on his high horse and doing it all over again...again and again. That's "smart"? I guess I didn't get that memo.
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Why don't you go back and read all the posts instead of making this all about Trump
 
Trump has exceptional survival skills for his own self. That's the "best" that can be said about him. You like him so much, but Blackbelt, if you were an American he wouldn't give a s**t about you at the end of the day. His presidency is just an extension of his huckster brand and he's just in it like a player in a poker game. His name is Trump, for crying out loud...no irony there (sarcasm). One day honesty will trump him.
 
blackbelt1961 said:
Who some here think that they're all evil
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And you seem to think "progressives" are evil. It seems only real estate people know what they're talking about. History profs are apparently condescending and full of s**t.

I'm really hoping you can back up some of your claims without throwing out more insults.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
Trump has exceptional survival skills for his own self. That's the "best" that can be said about him. You like him so much, but Blackbelt, if you were an American he wouldn't give a s**t about you at the end of the day. His presidency is just an extension of his huckster brand and he's just in it like a player in a poker game.
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What ever you think
 
blackbelt19617 said:
say what you want, it's still the Lt Opinion, that is not fact to remove a president, all other witnesses were all heard say, Dems are so far left there now a disaster
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It is Lt. Col Vindman not Lt. Vindman. There is a lot of service between those ranks.

The Lt. Col reported that he felt it inappropriate for Trump to ask Ukraine to investigate the younger Biden.

He felt it inappropriate to withhold aid promised to an ally until Ukraine promised an investigation which would not contribute anything to American security. It would only benefit Trump.

The whistleblower shared the information and the Democrats looked into it. Part of the checks and balances.

It is illegal for the President to collude with a foreign power against American citizens. The testimony given by Sondland and Lt. Col. Vindman and here, Sondland was by far the most damaging witness.

The testimony Sondland provided showed Lt. Col. Vindman was right to be concerned.

So impeachment hearings were held. Trump refused to appear and Trump refused to allow others called to testify to show.

The only other impeachment hearing that saw that was Nixon's. And Nixon seeing the writing on the wall resigned.

The Democrats found Trump guilty. Trump certainly never bothered to offer testimony that showed he never promised a meeting or to release aid based on the announcement of an investigation.

Evidence shows that the promised aid was not released until after the whistleblower took action.

How many smoking guns need to be placed in Trumps's hands?

And again, if the trial held by Congress was faulty the Senate can easily have a proper one and give the President the opportunity to testify.

You know why that isn't going to happen.

You know why the Senate wants a witness free trial.

They fear that the truth will force them to remove Trump and cost them their seats.

They fear the truth.

Which is why nobody spent any time trying to prove Trump never made any such conditions as a meeting and releasing aid contingent on an announcement. They spent time with faux outrage that this is a partisan kangaroo court.

Trump is great so long as he doesn't have to take an oath to tell the truth.

He has been impeached.

And rightly so.

Reasonable doubt could have seen him win in the impeachment trial. The Republicans knew, as Trump knows, there is no way they could spin a story which included everything known and end up with any reasonable person doubting that Trump did not make releasing the aid contingent on Ukraine naming Hunter Biden in a corruption investigation.

And nothing actually prevents the Americans from opening that investigation themselves if there is as much evidence as Trump claims.

Trump tried to coerce the Ukranians into giving him what he wanted. Mechanisms in place to prevent that caught him. Witnesses affirm it not once but twice. Others on the call are blocked from testifying.

Forget the politicians and their games.

Lt. Col. Vindman heard Trump condition aid on an inveztigation into Biden.

Ambassador Sondland admitted to being part of the attempt to secure a meeting with Trump if Ukraine would name Biden in an investigation even if the investigation never actually followed.

Ambassador Bill Taylor testified that the releasing of aid was contingent on the investigation being announced.

Others who were on the call also testified that Trump put pressure on the Ukranians to name Biden and Clinton as subjects of an investigation (Former NSC Advisor Tim Morrison and Pence Aid Jennifer Williams).

Who testified that Trump did not hold up aid for Ukraine?

Nobody.

Who testified that Trump did not put pressure on the Ukraine to announce an investigation into Biden?

Nobody.

So of course those who did offer testimony must be liars. I'm mindful that the most damning attack on Lt. Col. Vindman mounted by the Republicans is not that he misheard or misunderstood but that he was born in the Ukraine and having immigrated at the age of three is a Manchurian candidate set to take down the President.

That kind of desperate nonsense is exactly why the Senate Republicans will not conduct a fair trial.
 
Northwind said:
And you seem to think "progressives" are evil. It seems only real estate people know what they're talking about. History profs are apparently condescending and full of s**t.

I'm really hoping you can back up some of your claims without throwing out more insults.
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If you think a PhD in history it's good enough for Real Estate development then you're smoking something.

He's an expert in his field the way I'm an expert in mine
 
blackbelt1961 said:
If you think a PhD in history it's good enough for Real Estate development then you're smoking something.

He's an expert in his field the way I'm an expert in mine
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That is not the point. Nor did I suggest a PhD in history makes a person an expert in real estate. I'm not sure where you got that idea. What the PhD in history did was present a clear outline of his concerns. You have not responded to them other than to sling insults. Clearly you believe Trump is a good businessman. Most of us here disagree with you. Enough said on that.

I really do wonder if you're able to respond to what has been presented without insults or accusations.

Now @revjohn has made some good points. Are you able to discuss the issues blackbelt?
 
blackbelt1961 said:
If you think a PhD in history it's good enough for Real Estate development then you're smoking something.

He's an expert in his field the way I'm an expert in mine
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And the same way Trump is an expert in his? He is very good at conning, diverting, and lying.
And by this point he must know the bankruptcy procedures inside out.
 
Northwind said:
That is not the point. Nor did I suggest a PhD in history makes a person an expert in real estate. I'm not sure where you got that idea. What the PhD in history did was present a clear outline of his concerns. You have not responded to them other than to sling insults. Clearly you believe Trump is a good businessman. Most of us here disagree with you. Enough said on that.

I really do wonder if you're able to respond to what has been presented without insults or accusations.

Now @revjohn has made some good points. Are you able to discuss the issues blackbelt?
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That was the point with grame
Northwind said:
That is not the point. Nor did I suggest a PhD in history makes a person an expert in real estate. I'm not sure where you got that idea. What the PhD in history did was present a clear outline of his concerns. You have not responded to them other than to sling insults. Clearly you believe Trump is a good businessman. Most of us here disagree with you. Enough said on that.

I really do wonder if you're able to respond to what has been presented without insults or accusations.

Now @revjohn has made some good points. Are you able to discuss the issues blackbelt?
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that was the point with Graeme, I didnt start the insults , and Graeme seems not to have The ability to stop with his condescending ways. You guys dont like trump that' I couldn't care less, and im done with this thread
 
blackbelt1961 said:
That was the point with grame

that was the point with Graeme, I didnt start the insults , and Graeme seems not to have The ability to stop with his condescending ways. You guys dont like trump that' I couldn't care less, and im done with this thread
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laugh
Such wonder Christian folks you all are
 
We're just dealing with facts, truth and reality. Feel free to ignore them. Remember, though, you ignore them at your own risk.
 
blackbelt1961 said:
If you think a PhD in history it's good enough for Real Estate development then you're smoking something.

He's an expert in his field the way I'm an expert in mine
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You have a PhD in Business? You lecture at the university level about real estate? Really?

The barriers to becoming a history professor are huge. The post-secondary time invested amounts to about a decade before you get into experience, though Graeme can correct me if I'm wrong.

The time barrier to becoming a licensed real estate agent is measured in hours. Literally, dozens of hours and a few exams. My suspicion is that English proficiency and basic logic are not among them.

Source: How to Be an Ontario REALTOR® in 3 Steps | Faris Team

I am not an expert in my field as much as Graeme is an expert in his, and my degree was 5 years. I will freely admit that. Not you. You will lie and weasel your way around anything that doesn't fit your preconceived ideas, as you always have.
 
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