Can we talk about suicide? Or is it a taboo subject?

[GO3838]

I suspect we really have to move away from the medical model, even in the field of medicine...it needs to broaden its perspective... to really help people.

I know that Viktor Frankl is very "old school" theory, but his idea of "logotherapy" really resonates with me. His theory is that everyone needs to feel that their life has meaning. If people feel that their lives have meaning, they will never attempt suicide.

So if someone is suicidal, they feel their life has no meaning. So logotherapy is talking with this person to facilitate them discovering that their life does have meaning. I feel that lots of teens feel their lives have no meaning. They need to discover their passions and talents, and then they are more likely to feel life is meaningful. And I do feel there's a large correlation between the lack of spirituality in teen lives and their perceived lack of meaning.

Teens need more well-rounded experiences: besides academics and sports, they need connections with nature and the environment, the satisfaction of volunteer work, and the sense of accomplishment from creating something useful, like making a quilt, or a dinner, or a chair.
They need that sense of participating in something that's greater than any one individual, like building houses for an organization like Habitat for Humanity. Teens really lack community experiences that help them feel like a productive member of the community.

 

[PilgrimsProgress]

I know that Viktor Frankl is very "old school" theory, but his idea of "logotherapy" really resonates with me. His theory is that everyone needs to feel that their life has meaning.

Feeling that your life has meaning should be emphasised more in mental health/illness work. It tends to get overlooked in talk of medication, exercise, nutrition, socialising etc.
From my own experience I found that when you are young and depressed -or just unhappy -your focus is on yourself. (Understandably - who thinks of others when you have a bad tooth-ache?)

The search for meaning often leads to using your gifts/talents to benefit others - other focussed, rather than self-focussed. Trouble is, when you're a teen you're not so aware of your gifts and talents. This is one of the advantages of getting older and better acquainted with yourself.......
The most content seniors I know have meaning as a centre to their lives, and it involves sharing their talents with others.

 

[Northwind]

I agree @PilgrimsProgress. The goal of healing in mental health related work does need to be finding meaning in life. Finding your "soul purpose" is important. If it isn't, what changes have even been made?

 

[Luce NDs]

If you don't express something ... is it denied .. or just rationally nonexistent? If you don't know a word as expressed ... is it a great unknown ... or just part of a great extent that's beyond us?

Poke about it a bit and see if an idea in context pops up?

There are hoards that wouldn't go that far and thus never get to it! Multi Faceting like a fly's aye ... yes a pig's head on a stuck is a treat .. and will lord a lot over a flight of flies ... and the thought will count when assimilated!

 

[Luce NDs]

Is massive war a sense of national suicide ... until we smarten up and use better birth control systems of global nature to avoid radical populaces?

Freud said we have a sacred (hidden) death wish ... thus we pass! The great void in what we know approaches ... imagine having an entire cosmos of information dumped on you in one fell swoop ... logical fallacy? Could Be Skye Call ...

 

[Ritafee]

Finding your "soul purpose" is important. If it isn't, what changes have even been made?

If you don't express something ... is it denied .. or just rationally nonexistent? If you don't know a word as expressed ... is it a great unknown ... or just part of a great extent that's beyond us?

Poke about it a bit and see if an idea in context pops up?

There are hoards that wouldn't go that far and thus never get to it!

When regarding the difficult or traumatic experiences that challenge the 'incarnate soul' we are naturally bound to ask ...

“Why did this happen and what does it mean?”

Speaking for my self, suicide becomes a high probability when ...

'Being biologically alive' I can still feel overwhelmingly 'spiritually and mentally compromised' by 'service to the body' as a 'soul purpose'.

Suicide ... from that perspective ... becomes the only logical option to change ... as a 'turning point for my soul'.

In my case allowing myself ideation around this 'option' has become a healing perspective during my 'dark nights of the soul'.

I used to view suicide as the ultimate moral failure ... not anymore ... from this soul’s perspective ... it can be a blessing.

If our soul's highest purpose is to give and receive love ... it wills not to be limited to 'while alive in the body' ... Love does not die.

In addition to no longer viewing 'suicide as a failure' ... I no longer view 'suicide as a sin'.

One way or another ... my spiritual sense informs me that ... E.T. 'all ways' go Home.

This is not me condoning being in a rush to get there. It is me letting go of guilt and self-blame.

One of my brothers completed his own suicide. 'For some reason' ... I was unable to prevent that.

My daughter has made two attempts at ending her own life. Her suicidal ideation is ongoing.

If her 'completing suicide' is preventable by my efforts ... my stage will be set for such intervention.

In the 'meaning-time' I try to lead by example ... as both she and I revisit 'suicide as an option' ... I do so as a 'practicing procrastinator'.

 

[Luce NDs]

When regarding the difficult or traumatic experiences that challenge the 'incarnate soul' we are naturally bound to ask ...

“Why did this happen and what does it mean?”

Speaking for my self, suicide becomes a high probability when ...

'Being biologically alive' I can still feel overwhelmingly 'spiritually and mentally compromised' by 'service to the body' as a 'soul purpose'.

Suicide ... from that perspective ... becomes the only logical option to change ... as a 'turning point for my soul'.

In my case allowing myself ideation around this 'option' has become a healing perspective during my 'dark nights of the soul'.

I used to view suicide as the ultimate moral failure ... not anymore ... from this soul’s perspective ... it can be a blessing.

If our soul's highest purpose is to give and receive love ... it wills not to be limited to 'while alive in the body' ... Love does not die.

In addition to no longer viewing 'suicide as a failure' ... I no longer view 'suicide as a sin'.

One way or another ... my spiritual sense informs me that ... E.T. 'all ways' go Home.

This is not me condoning being in a rush to get there. It is me letting go of guilt and self-blame.

One of my brothers completed his own suicide. 'For some reason' ... I was unable to prevent that.

My daughter has made two attempts at ending her own life. Her suicidal ideation is ongoing.

If her 'completing suicide' is preventable by my efforts ... my stage will be set for such intervention.

In the 'meaning-time' I try to lead by example ... as both she and I revisit 'suicide as an option' ... I do so as a 'practicing procrastinator'.

I have said I procrastinate about passing on ... because maybe there's something else I was supposed to learn while in the cosmological comedy! As in deontological ethics ... can learning be an end in itself? Thus some dark force calls the intellect out again ... allowing that image of a cyclist going over the moon!

Really now ... life is weird! And my conclusion is I really don;t know much about the irrational things real folk do.

Furthermore I've been told I'm unreal .. the beginnings of abstraction ...

 

[Rachel]

Came across this. I hope it's kosher to bump an old thread here? I see a lot of questions. There's a wonderful site, Christian based, so it really fits right in here, that has a lot of information on the subject as well as acting as a wonderful support group.

 

[Mendalla]

Came across this. I hope it's kosher to bump an old thread here? I see a lot of questions. There's a wonderful site, Christian based, so it really fits right in here, that has a lot of information on the subject as well as acting as a wonderful support group.

Bumping is quite welcome, even if it doesn't happen as often as on some other sites I am on.

 

[Rachel]

Came across this. I hope it's kosher to bump an old thread here? I see a lot of questions. There's a wonderful site, Christian based, so it really fits right in here, that has a lot of information on the subject as well as acting as a wonderful support group.

lol Just realized I didn't include a link!

Project Semicolon - Mental Health & Suicide Prevention