The women divide the plunder ?

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Jae said:
The fact is Waterfall, I've said nothing about inferiority. Seems you want to read it into my words which are devoid of it.
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In most male (and unfortunately females too) understandings of Genesis, Eve is Adams helper.....rather than someone who is able and competent enough to help.(ezer kenegdo...to arrive at the correct translation)
 
Jae said:
Adam was created first, then Eve. The priority of Adam’s creation's a testimony for God's order that the man should lead and rule. God made woman as a helper for man, women's subordination was set even before the Fall.

Woman was and should be dependent on man. Her status should never be that of a senior leader in the Church.

As soon as Eve, the weaker vessel, was present with Adam, Satan made his attack. Eve was overcome by Satan's deception; she fell into Satan's trap and then persuaded Adam to join her in the transgression.

So the Fall was brought about, which, in its results, continues today. The woman's subordination is plainly shown, a fact which excludes her from being a pastor (minister, priest), where her office would give her dominion over the man.
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And I repeat. Toxic theology.

I respect that you hold those views. I find such views, abhorrent, toxic, self-serving (and therefore selfish), and in direct contrast to the essence of Scripture.

You cannot argue that men and women are equal if you also hold views that women are dependent and subservient.
 
DaisyJane said:
And I repeat. Toxic theology.

I respect that you hold those views. I find such views, abhorrent, toxic, self-serving (and therefore selfish), and in direct contrast to the essence of Scripture.

You cannot argue that men and women are equal if you also hold views that women are dependent and subservient.
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Wimen should be dependent upon men for church leadership. Oh, and what I commented on was subordination, not subservience.
 
Jae said:
Wimen should be dependent upon men for church leadership.
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Okay, I have promised myself I would stay out of this, but my curiousity is piqued. What do you do when you meet a female minister/pastor/priest from a denomination that does ordain women (say, UCCan or Anglican Church of Canada)? How do you interact with someone who shares your level of education and pastoral skills but who you believe should not be in that position?
 
Jae said:
So the Fall was brought about, which, in its results, continues today. The woman's subordination is plainly shown, a fact which excludes her from being a pastor (minister, priest), where her office would give her dominion over the man.
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So what is the difference, in your opinion, between inferiority and subordination?
 
Yes, I understand that is what you believe.

I have work to do. Including theology lectures to plan - during which I will teach women and men about Scripture. I remain grateful that I live in a world that values my leadership regardless of my genitalia or DNA.

Yes, Jae, how did you cope with female professors?
 
Jae said:
Don't know where you're picking up "inferior" from Waterfall.
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One should listen to oneself ... discover and unravel complexity!

Tis like the Planck wall between seminal and episodic memories ... and virtually unheard of realm of psyche stuff! For the simple baffle them with information (strange intelligence) really pisses off the powers!
 
Mendalla said:
Okay, I have promised myself I would stay out of this, but my curiousity is piqued. What do you do when you meet a female minister/pastor/priest from a denomination that does ordain women? How do you interact with someone who shares your level of education and pastoral skills but who you believe shouldn't be in that position?
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It's a hypothetical question for me, because I don't tend to meet such women. I treat them with the same kindness and respect that I treat everyone in real life. I don't push for sny kind of debate on church roles to go on, but if challenged I do respond.
 
DaisyJane said:
Yes, I understand that is what you believe.

I have work to do. Including theology lectures to plan - during which I will teach women and men about Scripture. I remain grateful that I live in a world that values my leadership regardless of my genitalia or DNA.

Yes, Jae, how did you cope with female professors?
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1. Happy to hear that you're going to teach women and men about Scripture. I believe that women and men alike need to learn about Scripture.

2. I never had a female professor during my time in university and seminary.
 
Jae said:
Actually DaisyJane, women can hold key roles of authority in complementarian churches. My church in Toronto currently has two Deacons, one of whom is female. Since we have only one Elder, the Senior Pastor, the Deacons are second in leadership.
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let's not forget who divided the body of Christ (the Church)into denominations, man Not God, so what difference would it make to God what denomination a woman is a leader in?
 
blackbelt1961 said:
let's not forget who divided the body of Christ (the Church)into denominations, man Not God, so what difference would it make to God what denomination a woman is a leader in?
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I don't believe God wants women to be senior leaders in any denominations.
 
We have two mosques in this area. The one right in town is quite conservative/orthodox. We tend not to go there for intercultural meetings as much as we might have were it not for the very non-subtle treatment of our spiritual leader. She may be a spiritual leader in a Christian church, with a doctorate to boot, but in that mosque, she is "Mrs. Joe" (her husband's name), and he is the spiritual leader of that family. Doesn't really work very well, relationally.
 
Jae said:
I don't believe God wants women to be senior leaders in any denominations.
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I know you don't believe it, and I'm not trying to push your buttons, we all make mistakes and live under grace thank God, BUT,, I don't see your view as consistent with Christ teachings, what I do see, spiritually, is mans religious heart trying to form Gods Church and then passing on that form onto its followers.

I wonder what Joyce Myers has to say :p
 
Northwind said:
How is that even possible? Did you graduate in 1956?
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His seminary was a conservative one, as I recall, so may not have had any or many. Undergrad surprises me, though. Even in the eighties, the faculty of arts at Waterloo was pretty close to 50-50 in many programs.
 
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