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you think I failed because you have no clue how translations and transliterations work.
Woooshh and again you missed it. I gave Unsafe three translations two of which I had translated myself. Before I even looked in the KJV. (Because the wording in her quote was far too modern) Hence why I did the translations, just to see if mine would come out like hers. Mine corresponded with the KJV albeit ever so slightly different. But her version was so far off. It was no way near the same. not even a little. See below.

Proverbs 29:18 in Gods word has the same meaning
Not by it's wording it used it doesn't. Not even close.

This is the meme that unsafe posted how is that the same meaning as "Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he".
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God, I believe, is loving and hence calls everyone to salvation. However, I also believe that he is Sovereign - he has chosen his elect who he actually will save.
Seems like a reasonable interpretation of the "many are called but few are chosen" statement. I still have difficulty reconciling it to the rest of the parable.
 
Does this not apply to yourself too?

No I just throw in hindrances to the great movers ... to make the overly emotional slow down to look, listen, and ask if it is time to go on --- the gatekeeper is a devil at pediatrix ...

I don't know how to argue just pose nothing as that is all I am entitled to ... authority has directed me in this manner thus I remain subtle ... at lesser layer of power ... exhausted? Allow me some darkness ... as a domain of feeling haunts and spooks! Interpretations may vary as well ... tis deep ... but a common well under the heavens ... isn't that the pits? The Hebrew labelled them bens ... בהנש? Tis an ambiguous legend to say least ... tis humble communion ... eliminated by europa's powers ... the mythical woman that rode off on taurus ... BS!

Ever read the Testament of Gideon Mack? Tis about facing the devil ... a provoking story with standing stones instead of Stix! Harder to ignore ... especially when stoned on hard life ... I tend to be pessimistic about great lives ...
 
paradox3 said:
But I am not sure if we are discussing a language issue here or something more.


At core there is the language issue. The United Church of Canada has never used the language "Born Again" formally. How many of our clergy have ever or continue to use it is beyond my ability to address. We have used the language of Generation, Degeneration and Regeneration (Creation, Fall, Redemption).

Regeneration is tied to Redemption and plays into the teaching that we are new creations in Christ Jesus and therefore there is now no condemnation.for us as new creations.

Born Again language obviously comes from Nicodemus' encounter with Jesus in John 3: 16 where Jesus says we must be born again and Nicodemus takes him literally and quite rightly boggles.

The reason why The United Church of Canada has historically rejected "Born Again" language is out of reaction to the Pentecostal and Charismatic uprisings which saw the process as being more individual driven rather than God driven. The emphasis on what I do to prove I have been born again was seen as a distraction at best from what God does to effect redemption in the hearts of those God has called.

In the Creation/Fall/Redemption paradigm the principle actors are God/Humanity/Christ. God Generates humanity, humanity through sin degenerates, Christ through his crucifixion and resurrection regenerates humanity. Very Reformed Christian in outlook rather than Weslyan Arminian. Of course Methodism also had its Calvinist stream thanks to Whitefield.
 
Woooshh and again you missed it. I gave Unsafe three translations two of which I had translated myself. Before I even looked in the KJV. (Because the wording in her quote was far too modern) Hence why I did the translations, just to see if mine would come out like hers. Mine corresponded with the KJV albeit ever so slightly different. But her version was so far off. It was no way near the same. not even a little. See below.

Not by it's wording it used it doesn't. Not even close.

This is the meme that unsafe posted how is that the same meaning as "Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he".
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keep your insight on the goal, dont let the physical riches of the world stop you

another way of saying it

in this instant or in Unsaves or mine, who or what is the goal? and what riches do our physical eyes see that can distract us from our goal


come on your a smart guy, you only act dumb when it suits you, just because your a non-believer does not mean you can't agree with a quote or a saying, which is what the book of Proverbs is


a short pithy saying in general use, stating a general truth or piece of advice
 
Pavlos Maros said:
This is the meme that unsafe posted how is that the same meaning as "Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he".

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paradox3 ------Your Quote Here ------The meanings seem to be different to me as well.


unsafe says ----the meaning is different to you both cause you are viewing it through the wrong Lens -----it is your Worldly Lens that you can only view it from that is the Problem ------

All Bibles MAY SAY a verse a little different but the Spiritual meaning is the same ---------the words of the Bible are foolish to those who are not Spiritual ------so your claims that there is a different meaning are Spiritually unsupported ------ because Spiritually they say the same thing -----which clearly you both don't view through the right lens ------


unsafe says -----and Posted several different Bible versions ----- --------This is Proverbs 29:18 ---

Study Bible

The Stiff-Necked will Be Destroyed
…17Discipline your son, and he will give you rest; he will bring delight to your soul. 18Where there is no vision,the people cast off restraint; but blessed is he who keeps the law. 19A servant cannot be corrected by words alone; though he understands, he will not respond.…

New International Version
Where there is no revelation, people cast off restraint; but blessed is the one who heeds wisdom's instruction.

New Living Translation
When people do not accept divine guidance, they run wild. But whoever obeys the law is joyful.

English Standard Version
Where there is no prophetic vision the people cast off restraint, but blessed is he who keeps the law.

Berean Study Bible
Where there is no vision, the people cast off restraint; but blessed is he who keeps the law.

New American Standard Bible
Where there is no vision, the people are unrestrained, But happy is he who keeps the law.

King James Bible
Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he.

Christian Standard Bible
Without revelation people run wild, but one who follows divine instruction will be happy.

Contemporary English Version
Without guidance from God law and order disappear, but God blesses everyone who obeys his Law.



unsafe Posting Not Saying
-----Posting to give some information on what the passage is saying Spiritually --------


This is Matthew Henry's commentary on Proverbs 29:18 -----

Commentary on Proverbs 29:18
(Read Proverbs 29:18)

How bare does a place look without Bibles and ministers! and what an easy prey is it to the enemy of souls! That gospel is an open vision, which holds forth Christ, which humbles the sinner and exalts the Saviour, which promotes holiness in the life and conversation: and these are precious truths to keep the soul alive, and prevent it from perishing.



unsafe posting ---------Second commentary -----on this passage -----this is Enduring Word Bible Commentary Proverbs 29 -----on this passage

Proverbs 29:18
Where there is no revelation, the people cast off restraint;
But happy is he who keeps the law.

a. Where there is no revelation, the people cast off restraint: The revelation in mind here is not the spontaneous word from a purported prophet. It is God’s great revelation, His revealed word through the Hebrew prophets and later the apostles and prophets who gave us the New Testament. When God’s word is unavailable or rejected, the people cast off restraint. They no longer have a standard greater than they own feelings or current opinions.



unsafe says
---We need the right vision which requires the right lens to get the Spiritual meaning of the Scripture and the Holy Spirit is the only one who can provides the Right Lens to get the Spiritual meaning ------Period ----


unsafe Is POSTING This ------I Did NOT Write this that I am Posting it -----BUT I do Agree with what this says -----


Spiritual Reading Glasses, Anyone? - Flowing Faith
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Do you wear glasses regularly or do you need reading glasses? What a blessing it is to have a way to see clearly, isn’t it? Otherwise everything is a bit blurry. Hard to focus, hard to see. That’s exactly the way it is in our spiritual life too. It’s hard to focus, hard to understand what’s what. We need spiritual reading glasses to see clearly. Especially when we read the Bible. Otherwise we miss the wonderful things in it.

Let me see clearly so that I may take in
the amazing things coming from Your law.

(Psalm 119:18, Voice)

This short verse in the middle of the Bible is packed full of wisdom. It has the prescription for spiritual eyeglasses:
1) We need to note that this verse is a prayer. Everything good starts with prayer. It’s our lifeline.
2) We need to acknowledge that there are amazing things in the Bible. We need it to live well.
3) We need to accept that we can’t understand the Bible on our own. We need the Holy Spirit to see clearly.

In short, the Holy Spirit acts like our spiritual reading glasses. If we read the Bible without asking the Holy Spirit to help, it does not make sense.

Only when we abide in the Holy Spirit, we can understand the spiritual wealth of the Bible. Without the Holy Spirit we can’t see clearly. But blessedly, the Holy Spirit is always ready to help us.

Spiritual eyeglasses don’t cost us anything. They are readily available for anyone without charge. But the Word and the world look really different through them:
The last will be first.
The wounded will be healed.
The captives will be released.
The blind will see.
The death is not the end.
Hallelujah!
 
The reason why The United Church of Canada has historically rejected "Born Again" language is out of reaction to the Pentecostal and Charismatic uprisings which saw the process as being more individual driven rather than God driven. The emphasis on what I do to prove I have been born again was seen as a distraction at best from what God does to effect redemption in the hearts of those God has called.

if I am read this correctly, I have never heard a Pentecostal pastor and I have heard many over the yrs, ever preach on the issue of born again with the emphasis on the individual rather than God, I have always heard from the pulpit that it is God 100% of the time giving the spiritual rebirth.

but mind you, as I was after the new experience yes we do tend to try to prove to God and man that we are regenerated people, that is simply because of our overwhelming of the experience, but as a believer matures, he/she learns personally that it is grace that supports us, not our works,
 
In Matthew 19 -----the rich lad approaches Jesus and thinks he has done everything right to have eternal life and Follow Jesus -----

Many people believe they can Follow the Way of Jesus all on their own power -----Jesus quickly shows us that the lad's Mouth is willing to follow but that his Heart was somewhere else -----in his stuff ----

Following the way is not easy and we cannot and never will be able to do it on our own Power -----and anyone who thinks they can is deceiving themselves ------

Jesus is The Eye of the Needle in this Passage ------Jesus is the narrow Gate that leads to eternal life ------all must enter through the Eye Of The Needle ------The Rich ---the Poor ----the Powerful ---the Murders and all else ------Jesus is the Narrow way -----but all can enter is they want to ----we have free will to reject or accept the way -------


Matthew 7:13-14 (AMP)

The Narrow and Wide Gates
13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad and easy to travel is the path that leads the way to destruction and eternal loss, and there are many who enter through it.

14 But small is the gate and narrow and difficult to travel is the path that leads the way to [everlasting] life, and there are few who find it.
 
I think too often in evangelical churches the emphasis is on the individual. So you get statements like, "I accepted Jesus into my heart" and, "I led so-and-so to the Lord."
 
Then that fire at the end of the hole ... unavoidable to remove the chaff from the straw piece and leave essence ... then the light goes on unaware by the bodelein parts ... mostly darkened by overbearing earthy despots?

There has to be more beyond the physical parts ... dear departed! They seem to reside in that deeper pool ... when others just have desires, will and avarice to retain more of the heavy sectors of Pi ... could be just a light thought ... levitating? revitalization ... thus that internal persistent gnawing ... the ithchii nature of wisdom wanting ... scratch that as broad-based learning curve!

Psychic paradigm ... that common hump ...
 
I think too often in evangelical churches the emphasis is on the individual. So you get statements like, "I accepted Jesus into my heart" and, "I led so-and-so to the Lord."

Jeremiah 29:13 You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.

its was me who the wholeheartedly went looking for God and when I found Him ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


revelations 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. if anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come into him and eat with him, and he with me


I opened the door of my heart and asked Him In


it is not Unbiblical to ask Jesus into your heart
 
The reason why The United Church of Canada has historically rejected "Born Again" language is out of reaction to the Pentecostal and Charismatic uprisings which saw the process as being more individual driven rather than God driven. The emphasis on "what I do to prove I have been born again?" was seen as a distraction at best from what God does to effect redemption in the hearts of those God has called.
Added quotes and question mark to your post to clarify what I think you're getting at. Let me know if I'm wrong.

While this may have been the original reasoning for rejecting "Born Again" language, the obvious ongoing reason that the United Church and others won't dare list as a reason, is an unwillingness to be associated with "Born Again" people and organizations.
 
Jeremiah 29:13 You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.

its was me who the wholeheartedly went looking for God and when I found Him ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


revelations 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. if anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come into him and eat with him, and he with me


I opened the door of my heart and asked Him In


it is not Unbiblical to ask Jesus into your heart

What Revelation 3:20 is speaking of is sanctification.

My point blackbelt is that too often it sounds almost like people are claiming credit for themselves. Instead of, "I acceped Jesus," would it not be better to say something like, "Jesus chose me." Instead of saying something like, "I led so-and-so..." would it not be better to say something like, "God, using me, saved so-and-so."
 
What Revelation 3:20 is speaking of is sanctification.

My point blackbelt is that too often it sounds almost like people are claiming credit for themselves.

I have never heard in all my yrs hear anyone claim credit for themselves, ever


Instead of, "I accepted Jesus," would it not be better to say something like, "Jesus chose me." Instead of saying something like,

what difference does it make? as Jesus said we do not know what to ask for

does God care about teh correct wording or the position of your heart ???????????/ after all what comes out of your mouth there is where your heart is, thus asking Jesus into your heart shows the position, desire of your inner being
 
Do some folks not have the sense of goodness within them?

Thus the void feeling when dropping off the edge of psyche conscience ... rare cases do it alone .. some integration required ... dark chords of networking those damned thinking demos ...
 
I have never heard in all my yrs hear anyone claim credit for themselves, ever




what difference does it make? as Jesus said we do not know what to ask for

does God care about teh correct wording or the position of your heart ???????????/ after all what comes out of your mouth there is where your heart is, thus asking Jesus into your heart shows the position, desire of your inner being

I think it makes an important difference - it is God who should be glorified, not us. I believe that rather than go about making claims for ourselves, we should be speaking highly of God. I make no claim that I accepted Christ. Rather, I believe that Christ saved me when I was spiritually dead.
 
I think it makes an important difference - it is God who should be glorified, not us. I believe that rather than go about making claims for ourselves, we should be speaking highly of God. I make no claim that I accepted Christ. Rather, I believe that Christ saved me when I was spiritually dead.

as I said above, I have never ever heard anyone making claims for themselves, but if it makes you more comfortable to use different wordings, you are free to do so.
 
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