TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

I don't want you beside me. You're the person I was thinking of when I lamented on the dangers of "half-assing" the dissection of an idea.

@Inannawhimsey this from chansen is not "help". I don't really care if he felt the need to insult me but, its his issue, but it is not "help", and it wasn't asked for anyway. It's like saying the person who just smacked another in the head because they felt like it, was only trying to help. He was unloading his own frustration - whether misplaced or not - onto me to make me feel insulted. It wasn't "help".


Stop gaslighting or we won't be conversing again.

 

[Northwind]

Stop gaslighting or we won't be conversing again.

Using the term "gaslighting" in this context really waters down the word.

I would encourage you to learn about "radical acceptance" as described by Marsha Linehan.

Sorry about my tangent. Back to regularly schedulled programming.......

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Today Trump was asked by a reporter about his appeal to white nationalists and he told the reporter that it was a "racist" question.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Using the term "gaslighting" in this context really waters down the word.

I would encourage you to learn about "radical acceptance" as described by Marsha Linehan.

Sorry about my tangent. Back to regularly schedulled programming.......

No. No it doesn't. Mild, insidious gaslighting that happens frequently is still gaslighting. It is meant to belittle and question a person's intelligence or integrity - to make the person question theirs. The fact that it is subtle and could be missed is the point.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

So, Trump gaslit/ gaslighted that reporter. Tried to make her (or the audience) think she was being racist even though he is the offending party. That's what reminded me. I didn't feel like confronting it yesterday.

 

[Northwind]

No. No it doesn't. Mild, insidious gaslighting that happens frequently is still gaslighting. It is meant to belittle and question a person's intelligence or integrity - to make the person question theirs. The fact that it is subtle and could be missed is the point.

And using that term in this context is offensive and is a way to shut down opinions you don't like. No one is "gaslighting" here. Just because it is a trendy word to use in some circles these days doesn't make it right.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

And using that term in this context is offensive and is a way to shut down opinions you don't like. No one is "gaslighting" here. Just because it is a trendy word to use in some circles these days doesn't make it right.

It is not offensive. What opinions I don't like in this context are being personally insulted about my valid use of a word, being insulted by chansen about my presence in conversation here , and being asked to explain "my interpretation" (I use a widely accepted, by scholars, interpretation) of a word (fascism) that I have already explained in depth before - then being told that the insult to my integrity was "help". It's offensive to me. I am not being offensive. That was gaslighting...gradually and insidiously making a person feel defenceless and belittled when they've said or done nothing wrong...no matter what the context. Over time it is very corrosive to self esteem. It is the opposite of helpful. So you end up relying on that person's perception of you and approval. That's the intent of gaslighting.

 

[Northwind]

bulls**t. And please do not tell me what I find offensive. I'm done.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

bulls**t. And please do not tell me what I find offensive. I'm done.

WTF?

Well I am sorry you are offended by my being offended. Or am I offended over you being offended? Or both?

Nevertheless, gaslighting can take place in any social context. The reason it's serious is that it is a gradual and insidious, intentional wearing down of another's self esteem and integrity.

 

[Northwind]

It is not offensive.

Well I am sorry you are offended by my being offended. Or am I offended over you being offended? Or both?

You said using the word gaslighting in this context was not offensive. I found your use of that term in respect to @Inannawhimsey offensive.

Nevertheless, gaslighting can take place in any social context. The reason it's serious is that is a gradual and insidious, intentional wearing down of another's self esteem and integrity.

I know what gaslighting is. That's why I find it offensive that you dig out that word every now and again in response to posters here.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

In fact, I think Internet forums where you are talking to more or less the same group all the time, lends itself to the dynamic of gaslighting and other forms of insidious mental and emotional abuse.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

You said using the word gaslighting in this context was not offensive. I found your use of that term in respect to @Inannawhimsey offensive.



I know what gaslighting is. That's why I find it offensive that you dig out that word every now and again in response to posters here.

Well, I was explaining why I was the offended party here to try to lessen your sense of feeling offended because it wasn't about you. When I posted my comment to Innana it had nothing to do with you. So I don't get why you were offended by me telling him how I feel or think.

I dig that word out every now and then when and because it's true. And I hadn't dug that word out since Inanna has been conversing with me again.

 

[Northwind]

This is not about me. You're right. It's about the word "gaslighting"

 

[Delightful Life]

The basic notion of moving forward, of progressing towards something better, will always be there.

What is considered to be progress changes with time. In the seventeenth through nineteenth centuries the development of capitalism and the idea that power could be based on wealth rather than birth and land ownership was progressive. Now, capitalism and power based on wealth are considered conservative.

In the sixties, not throwing gays in jail was radical. Thengay marriage was radical. Now, we're at the point where gay rights are the norm, at least in Canada, and its trans rights that are radical.

So progressivism in the sense of focussing on moving society forward in an radical way never stops being progressivism. But the details of what is considered "progressive" and "radical" certainly do, and yesterday's progressive can be tomorrow's conservative.

Thanks for the input, there :3
So progressivism is utopian?

Progressivism only remains progressive if it is constantly adjusting its goals.

Thanks for the input wyrd sistah
So in your view eventually Progressivism stops being Progressivism because it changes so much (in the same way that if I rebuild a boat completely it isn't the same boat anymore)? So then what do you see as the standards? Or is it more of a tribal label?

Theseus Had a Ship,
Inannawhimsey

 

[Delightful Life]

Only Americans would organize their government in such as a way as to ensure a perpetual state of anxiety for all involved.

I'm getting to the point where I'm wondering if we should try a re-do of 1812, and reclaim all of Turtle Island.

Lol :3

I remember hearing Charlie Brooker (media wonk from UK) when he visited USA one thing before 2016 that amazed him was the fact that Americans r inundated by imagined threats of maiming and dying yet they are still optimistic and smiley etc.

The country is never boring

From C to Shining C,
Inannawhimsey

 

[Mendalla]

Back on topic, a long-expected departure from the Trump administration has finally happened.

Jeff Sessions resigns as U.S. Attorney General, at Trump's request | CBC News

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Do you think that's good or bad (or rather, bad or worse)? What are the implications/ possibilities?

 

[Mendalla]

Do you think that's good or bad (or rather, bad or worse)? What are the implications/ possibilities?

Sessions was actually one of the more principled cabinet secretaries. He essentially shielded Mueller with his insistence on the investigation being independent of his office. If the new A-G is more of a Trump-ite, we could see a serious attempt at interfering with or derailing the investigation. A Democratic majority in the House might help keep things going, but loss of the counsel's independence would definitely slow things down and politicize things even more than they already are.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

I thought I read that Trump can't fire Mueller with the Dems having the House now. Mueller should move fast. I read, also, that he could be ready to make some decisions very soon.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Sessions wasn't very principled with how he handled immigration "reform" and the separation of families and kids at the border. That likely had an impact on the midterms, which Trump tried to double down on to save face.