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BetteTheRed ---Your Quote ------- See, I find the afterlife stuff that you are so fond of focussing on to be the purely speculative portion of theological discussions.


unsafe says -----Well -You Will Know The Real Truth when you pass From This Life -----So Good Luck with your speculation on that --


unsafe says and Posted ----To Believe Or Not To Believe That is the Dilemma ----

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----To Believe Or Not To Believe That is the Dilemma ----
You still use implied threats. That's pathetic. It really is the most asinine move a Christian can make when trying to convince others of their beliefs.

You have an extortionist god, and you're the Michael Cohen to his Trump, making threats on his behalf. The concept that an all-powerful deity would choose you as his attack lawyer makes it almost entertaining. There's a sitcom in there somewhere.
 
Threats are part of posturing bulls ... then there is the herd of sheep with a donkey amidst ... you could get a kick out of that protectorate as some wolves found the donkey ... a golden ass to the sheep!

The message in the missal can be varied ... depending on position of the motives ... to eat sheep or other lessor ani-Mals!

Thus the lamb may wander in Geo Gaia ... or the lights go out as trance/trans and trauma progresses in reversion ... thus drifting essence causing stinkers in the virtue ...

You can almost smell the corruption in the golden rule as one beam gets heavier ... more to be questioned instead of believed blindly!
 
Paul pleads for collection for the saints in Jerusalem - Very persuasive – running our stewardship campaign should read Chapter 8. Titus will be the Corinthians soon to make arrangements for this generous gift.
Paul speaks again on the defence of this ministry. Apparently he is still bothered by people from Jerusalem visiting churches as he established and contradicting his ministry. Paul scolds the people of Corinth, telling them 'if anyone is confident that they belong to Christ, they should consider again that we belong to Christ just as much as they do.'
Paul defends his credentials against those of the super-apostles who would discredit him. He was again the persecution against him and the suffering he has endured, and his concern for all the churches.
He mentions his thorn in the flesh and how he has prayed about it.
And he comes back again to the familiar refrain, that he is worried that the church in Corinth might be led astray by the faults super apostles.Paul gives some final warnings and closes with a blessing.
 
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Apparently he is still bothered by people from Jerusalem visiting churches as he established and contradicting his ministry.

What he make of the modern church with its hundreds of denominations, all claiming to be following in his footsteps?:confused:
 
BetteTheRed ---Your Quote ------- See, I find the afterlife stuff that you are so fond of focussing on to be the purely speculative portion of theological discussions.


unsafe says -----Well -You Will Know The Real Truth when you pass From This Life -----So Good Luck with your speculation on that --


unsafe says and Posted ----To Believe Or Not To Believe That is the Dilemma ----

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What is sort of interesting here is that I was blessed with a mystical vision that told me that I needn't worry about life after death. It was wyrdly detailed, and only relevant to my memory/history. It was inexplicable, unanticipated, uninvited. And ever since then, I've known, in my heart of hearts, in a way that one cannot prove, that after death, "everything is okay". I adore the analogy of a raindrop returning to the ocean; other people have different comforting images. For me, it absolutely is speculative, and completely "outside" of the life I feel called to live on this Earth today and the historical person of Jesus who might prod me in some right directions for living.
 
What is sort of interesting here is that I was blessed with a mystical vision that told me that I needn't worry about life after death. It was wyrdly detailed, and only relevant to my memory/history. It was inexplicable, unanticipated, uninvited. And ever since then, I've known, in my heart of hearts, in a way that one cannot prove, that after death, "everything is okay". I adore the analogy of a raindrop returning to the ocean; other people have different comforting images. For me, it absolutely is speculative, and completely "outside" of the life I feel called to live on this Earth today and the historical person of Jesus who might prod me in some right directions for living.

Oh the thoughts that can arise in these holes left in the core lands by those departed to show that absence does make the heart full of holes bubbly and not hard and non savant? Meanly departed because of those desirous of possessing that metaphorical reality ... a profession to some that carry on ... with greatest powers of possession ... possessed ... byit! Thus capital bi yotes ...
 
Good morning all

Seeler, just popping in to say it is interesting reading your thoughts. Thanks for all the posting you are doing
 
BetteTheRed ----Your Quote -----What is sort of interesting here is that I was blessed with a mystical vision that told me that I needn't worry about life after death. It was wyrdly detailed, and only relevant to my memory/history. It was inexplicable, unanticipated, uninvited. And ever since then, I've known, in my heart of hearts, in a way that one cannot prove, that after death, "everything is okay". I adore the analogy of a raindrop returning to the ocean; other people have different comforting images. For me, it absolutely is speculative, and completely "outside" of the life I feel called to live on this Earth today and the historical person of Jesus who might prod me in some right directions for living.


Your Quote -----What is sort of interesting here is that I was blessed with a mystical vision that told me that I needn't worry about life after death.


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----Good Luck with your mystical vision -----cause God says there is Life after Death There are 2 Realms ---The Resurrection of Jesus was witnessed by people ----So now you prove that Jesus didn't defeat Death and there were no witnesses present to testify to this fact ---

There is not only the death of the body for the unsaved person there is the 2nd Death -----So Just because your speculation says there is no life after death doesn't make it truth -----So good luck on that as well


Your Quote -----the historical person of Jesus who might prod me in some right directions for living.


unsafe says ----The human person Jesus is no longer here to prod you ----and the Spiritual Jesus requires you to receive Him As your Lord and Saviour to have Him prod you today so unless you have the Holy Spirit indwelling in you God makes it very clear the sin keeps Him away from us -----Satan is the god of this world ----So Satan would be the unbelievers prod for living on this earth today not Jesus --Satan doesn't want people flocking to Jesus and will keep people in the dark about the afterlife -----He Loves Duping people ----
He laughs all the way to His Soul Bank -----
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----IF Jesus wasn't raised from the dead ---Then Hell is for all of us cause we are all sinners and there is no place in Heaven for sinners ---only Saints get into Heaven -----so were all doomed if the word is not truth -----


unsafe says and posted scripture
So BetteTheRed ---if you want to argue with this scripture ---Talk to God --He Wrote It ------And He says His Word Is Truth ---Read the whole Chapter in Context for yourself ------I provided the link ----

Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 15 - Easy-to-Read Version

1 Corinthians 15:12-33 (ERV)

We Will Be Raised From Death

12 We tell everyone that Christ was raised from death. So why do some of you say that people will not be raised from death? 13 If no one will ever be raised from death, then Christ has never been raised. 14 And if Christ has never been raised, then the message we tell is worth nothing. And your faith is worth nothing. 15 And we will also be guilty of lying about God, because we have told people about him, saying that he raised Christ from death. And if no one is raised from death, then God never raised Christ from death. 16 If those who have died are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17 And if Christ has not been raised from death, then your faith is for nothing; you are still guilty of your sins. 18 And those in Christ who have already died are lost. 19 If our hope in Christ is only for this life here on earth, then people should feel more sorry for us than for anyone else.

20 But Christ really has been raised from death—the first one of all those who will be raised. 21 Death comes to people because of what one man did. But now there is resurrection from death because of another man. 22 I mean that in Adam all of us die. And in the same way, in Christ all of us will be made alive again. 23 But everyone will be raised to life in the right order. Christ was first to be raised. Then, when Christ comes again, those who belong to him will be raised to life.24 Then the end will come. Christ will destroy all rulers, authorities, and powers. Then he will give the kingdom to God the Father.

25 Christ must rule until God puts all enemies under his control. The last enemy to be destroyed will be death. 27 As the Scriptures say, “God put everything under his control. When it says that “everything” is put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself. God is the one putting everything under Christ’s control. 28 After everything has been put under Christ, then the Son himself will be put under God. God is the one who put everything under Christ. And Christ will be put under God so that God will be the complete ruler over everything.

29 If no one will ever be raised from death, then what will the people do who are baptized for those who have died? If the dead are never raised, then why are people baptized for them?

30 And what about us? Why do we put ourselves in danger every hour? 31 I face death every day. That is true, brothers and sisters, just as it is true that I am proud of what you are because of Christ Jesus our Lord. 32 I fought wild animals in Ephesus. If I did that only for human reasons, then I have gained nothing. If we are not raised from death, “Let us eat and drink, because tomorrow we die --33 Don’t be fooled: “Bad friends will ruin good habits.”


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----IF Jesus wasn't raised from the dead ---Then Hell is for all of us cause we are all sinners and there is no place in Heaven for sinners ---only Saints get into Heaven -----so were all doomed if the word is not truth -----
 
Is it possible that we will rise again as vegetable matter ... as desiring to vegetate and to not be aware of larger concerns like the entire population that surrounds us environmentally. This may entangle with the Ms Understanding of the nag known as self sufficed ... grey mare? Wondering into licentiousness is literature is out of the control of orthodoxy ... UN orthodox?

Perhaps we shall return a pappy rouse, paper or other medium to support the intelligence ... missed by impassioned mental losses ...

Like love gone down the hole ... seminole? Some messing around with 'n' 'h' and 'eta' may widen the ethin IHÇ ... so we could grasp half ... or the demiurge! The other half may be travelling darkly in the other direction from your lover's I'z ... somewhat inflated like Jesus filled the Laws and Loss? Empty space filled with light may require someone to carry a flame, torch or small spark ... an Eire zone of essence!

Degenerative organics in the carbon cycle ... calm posting ...
 
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Today's readings are Acts 20:1 - 3 and Romans chapters 1 – 3.

I was puzzled when I noticed how short the reading from the Acts is - only three verses. Then we leave Acts again and go on to Paul's letter to the Romans. I realize that this is to give us some idea of where Paul is circumstances there when he read the letter to the Romans.


The first three chapters of Romans this morning. Somethings that I found significant:
– Paul had not yet visited Romans. All of his other letters were written to the churches that he had established and to people he had known. There already was a church in Rome (established by Peter). In this letter Paul introduces himself and writes about his theology.

Paul warns against sinful humanity, and all God's righteous judgment.

- Paul introduces his claim to justification through faith alone.
 
It occurs to me to remind us that between Paul's letters (late 40s 50s or so) and the gospels (70s Mark rest 80-95 or later) lies an event whose significance was monumental to a whole bunch of understandings of faith and death, and deservedness, and Hell on earth, etc.: the sack of Jerusalem. Not only was the temple completely obliterated, but every man, woman and child found in the City of Jerusalem was slaughtered, to the point that the streets ran with blood.
 
Was the Paul a mis*spelled (mis*spelt) pall of Rome caused by excessive power and corruption thereof pertaining to the demos ... the people as slimy to the autocrats?

The Eire slipt bi ... as wind pursued by Jousting and the kickers in the myth -- Cervantes? Missal'd OE's as fired off ... to be understood as keeping it naively simple ... sometime KISS along with the Peter Prin. ... raised to be stunned! The obscure beauty passed with the Don ... das always neigh't O'US! The baffling erects a barrier ... for inhibition by fabrication ...

Why is this necessary? Because without knowledge of the alternate need for relaxation ... we'd breed ourselves out of existence ... a lesson yet unlearned by the industrial types that see only a marketplace ... but such things are ineffable when with market ears ... they hear of nothing alternate than capital ... cognizance is out there!

Thinking is sinking on the list ... allowing equivalence of 'th' = 's' or even 'ch' and chit becomes chat, otherwise you get it!

The great maas ... disturbed ... is thus jerked out of place ... and labelled DP's! Pete's IOnein ... a Kennedy thing on generating heros and Eros ...

Recall they are like God ... only word icons needing adequate context ... where the context was dissonant!
 
This morning I read Romans 4 to 7. In it Paul speaks all sin, the law, justification and faith. Referring to the Scriptures he speaks of Abraham who lived before the law was given to Moses but who put his trust in God and is justified by that trust.
Paul tells us 'while we were still sinners Christ died for us.' (Atonement theology?)
We were dead to sin but now we are alive to God. The law was a written code, to break it was a sin. Paul thought that we are alive through the grace of God.

Paul claims that he himself was a slave to sin – spiritually dead.} By grace he is alive.
He goes on to speak about his thorn in the flesh and that causes him to do things he does not want to do rather than the things he wants to do.
 
I will try to get Romans 8 – 10 this evening.

I may be a while posting about it to be a hospital at seven tomorrow morning for an MRI.. I don't know how long that will take or how I will feel afterwards.
 
Comment from Post # 993 above ------ - Paul introduces his claim to justification through faith alone.

unsafe says --Not sure if this is the Passage this Quote was taken from ---but for clear clarification on this it is important to read all of Romans 3 --- Seeler can let me know if what I am quoted the wrong passage ----for the quote above -----


unsafe quoting 21-26 of Romans 3
-----The faith Paul is talking about here is Faith in Jesus Christ and His Blood He shed for all sins ------read whole chapter at link provided -----
Bible Gateway passage: Romans 3 - GOD’S WORD Translation

God Gives Us His Approval as a Gift

21 Now, the way to receive God’s approval has been made plain in a way other than the laws in the Scriptures. Moses’ Teachings and the Prophets tell us this. 22 Everyone who believes has God’s approval through faith in Jesus Christ.

There is no difference between people. 23 Because all people have sinned, they have fallen short of God’s glory. 24 They receive God’s approval freely by an act of his kindness through the price Christ Jesus paid to set us free from sin.

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God showed that Christ is the throne of mercy where God’s approval is given through faith in Christ’s blood
. In his patience God waited to deal with sins committed in the past.

26 He waited so that he could display his approval at the present time. This shows that he is a God of justice, a God who approves of people who believe in Jesus.
 
Romans 8 ends with what is probably my favourite passage in all the Bible. I hope that it is read at my funeral. But right now I am concentrating on the LIFE part, living my life as fully and abundantly as possible, with the understanding that the kingdom is near and growing among us.

"For I am convinced that neither death nor LIFE, neither angels and demons, neither THE PRESENT nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

Maybe what bothered me when I read what seemed like Paul endorsing atonement theology. I don't think he meant what we think of as atonement theology today,
Even though his letters were written decades before the Gospels, Paul would have been familiar with the stories of Jesus life and work. He would have heard phrases like 'the kingdom of God is at hand', or 'the kingdom of God is among us growing like yeast in the bread.' He considered that we were already living in the end times; that Jesus would return a moment, most likely during his lifetime. His mission was one of unification, or relationship, uniting all people with one another with creation and with God so that we might all achieve at one ment. And even though the powers of this world (Roman power) crucified Jesus, the fact of the resurrection and the Spirit among us gives us atonement (at one ment).

Paul letter to the Romans appears to me to be one of reconciliation and unity. There should be no divisions among people; whether Jew or Greek, slave or free, male or female there should be no division. All are equal.


 
It occurs to me to remind us that between Paul's letters (late 40s 50s or so) and the gospels (70s Mark rest 80-95 or later) lies an event whose significance was monumental to a whole bunch of understandings of faith and death, and deservedness, and Hell on earth, etc.: the sack of Jerusalem. Not only was the temple completely obliterated, but every man, woman and child found in the City of Jerusalem was slaughtered, to the point that the streets ran with blood.
Some of us at church were just discussing this the other day. Our minister pointed out that the Colosseum in Rome was built by Jewish slaves (something I never knew). Yes, an extremely significant event.
 
Yes, an extremely significant event.

From an historical standpoint, possibly more significant than the Babylonian exile. After all, they returned from that exile after less than a century while the diaspora triggered by the sack of Jerusalem by Titus and the later Bar Kokhba rebellion against Hadrian has effects right down to this day. The various ghettoes and pograms, the Holocaust, the Jewish spread throughout the Western World all wouldn't have happened, or at least would have been quite different, had the diaspora not happened. The Crusades might have played out differently with a Jewish state in the Middle East. And even modern Israel might be quite different had it remained a Jewish state/kingdom for the past 2000 years instead of having to be recreated in the modern era.
 
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