TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?
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Pontifex Geronimo 13
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You are a little picture person. God is the big picture person. You can’t see his plans. But they are eventually revealed.
Jesus submitted to the Roman government. He told Pilate that he had no more power over him than what God gave him. Pilate’s purpose was to put Jesus to death. Big picture.
And then Nazi Germany. WW2 brings us Israel. God never forgot Israel. And reminds us the clock is ticking and Jesus return imminent. Big Picture.
Pontifex Geronimo 13
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Hmm, it looks like a “little picture” of someone skiing.
dreamerman
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Maybe you need a new camera.
Delightful Life
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Do u ķnow much aboot the history of the Jews?
When they spread over the world, how would they integrate with the local governance structure (city, town, state, etc)?
From what I've read they didn't try to take over the local alien culture etc they were in. They tried 2 maintain a seperateness. It was an integral part of their faith.
I could however b wrong *looks toward the gathered xperts*
Graeme Decarie
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jae - The fact remains. The Bible is either faultlessly true. Or there are times when it's not.
With your approach, if you were a clergyman in Hitler's Germany, you would have supported Hitler. By Paul's advice, you would have accepted the absurd notion that all government were virtuous and aimed at the public good. But in Paul's time there was no such thing as any government of that sort. And there are few to this day. Nor do I understand how this squares with any of the teaching of Jesus. Paul's advice is scripturally absurd.
And it's not the only one like that. The story of Noah's ark would necessarily include getting two insects of each species (and who could tell what a female mosquito looked like), two polar bears, two tigers, two eagles, two buzzards, two humming birds, two kangaroos.... I don't know how many species there are. There must be a thousand or more species. You''d need two of each and forty days of the food they all require. That would be over a millions item for Noah et al to acquire; and they would have to cover the entire world (mostly on foot) to do it.
The Bible has very sound advice. It also has absurd fairy tales. It's important to distinguish between them. Otherwise, and as many, many Christian do, we can get wrapped up in the fairy tales - and forget about the teaching.
Pontiflex - you are the prophet of our new world of Trumpism, the logical outgrowth of Hitlerism. Enjoy. You will be very happy with it.
With your approach, if you were a clergyman in Hitler's Germany, you would have supported Hitler. By Paul's advice, you would have accepted the absurd notion that all government were virtuous and aimed at the public good. But in Paul's time there was no such thing as any government of that sort. And there are few to this day. Nor do I understand how this squares with any of the teaching of Jesus. Paul's advice is scripturally absurd.
And it's not the only one like that. The story of Noah's ark would necessarily include getting two insects of each species (and who could tell what a female mosquito looked like), two polar bears, two tigers, two eagles, two buzzards, two humming birds, two kangaroos.... I don't know how many species there are. There must be a thousand or more species. You''d need two of each and forty days of the food they all require. That would be over a millions item for Noah et al to acquire; and they would have to cover the entire world (mostly on foot) to do it.
The Bible has very sound advice. It also has absurd fairy tales. It's important to distinguish between them. Otherwise, and as many, many Christian do, we can get wrapped up in the fairy tales - and forget about the teaching.
Pontiflex - you are the prophet of our new world of Trumpism, the logical outgrowth of Hitlerism. Enjoy. You will be very happy with it.
However do you get that Graeme? What I've said is that God is the ultimate authority and that Christians should obey God first above all.
Graeme Decarie said:
[FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]No, and I don't see that as being Paul's point of view either.[/FONT]
Graeme Decarie said:
And yet Paul wrote about governing authorities - interesting that.
Graeme Decarie said:
[FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]Paul's writing here, which is Scripture, is scripturally absurd. Interesting perspective there Graeme.[/FONT]
Graeme Decarie said:
Actually Graeme, what was required were pairs of certain kinds of animals, and seven pairs each of certain other kinds of animals. Kinds Graeme, not species.
"The LORD then said to Noah, 'Go into the ark, you and your whole family because I have found you righteous in this generation. Take with you seven pairs of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and one pair of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, and also seven pairs of every kind of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the earth." - Genesis 7:1-3 (NIV)
Graeme Decarie said:
Agreed.
Graeme Decarie said:
To what "absurd fairy tales" are you referring Graeme?[/QUOTE]
Graeme Decarie
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Oh, jae. you're a dead loss. You use words that have no meaning (as in the distinction between kinds and species.) Nor do you understand what response a flooding of the whole earth would require.
What are the fairy tales? creation. the seven days nonsense, original sin. God helping the Jews from Egypt to slaughter people in another land so they could steal it....
And of course there were governing authorities (and governments) in the time of Paul. I have no idea what your confused point is on that.
It always amazes me how Christians get all wrapped up in some of the absurd stories in The Bible - while completing ignoring the message of Jesus. And that's why you get bible belt Christians voting for Trump. And that's why Christians have spent the last seventy years murdering and plundering all over the world.
What are the fairy tales? creation. the seven days nonsense, original sin. God helping the Jews from Egypt to slaughter people in another land so they could steal it....
And of course there were governing authorities (and governments) in the time of Paul. I have no idea what your confused point is on that.
It always amazes me how Christians get all wrapped up in some of the absurd stories in The Bible - while completing ignoring the message of Jesus. And that's why you get bible belt Christians voting for Trump. And that's why Christians have spent the last seventy years murdering and plundering all over the world.
Graeme Decarie
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pontiflex - your comments are unintelligible. and your video of Republicans being idiots was just silly.
Or, to put it another way Graeme...
Kind: Bear
Species: American black bear; Polar bear; Brown bear; Grizzly bear; Asiatic black bear; etc. etc. etc.
Graeme Decarie said:
Apparently the correct response was to build an ark when instructed to by God.
Graeme Decarie said:
All true accounts, though the land you say the Jews stole was actually given to them by God. It was a promised gift to them.
Graeme Decarie said:
Hm, well let's see now. Earlier you wrote, "But in Paul's time there was no such thing as any government of that sort."
Tis a gathered form of what is scattered in moods! Related to subjunctive ... and thus intelligence is trashed ...
Maybe you need a new camera.
Bicameral mind .. look both ways ... almost biblical but few read into it for Satyr ... devious turn about's in mood?
Or, to put it another way Graeme...
Kind: Bear
Species: American black bear; Polar bear; Brown bear; Grizzly bear; Asiatic black bear; etc. etc. etc.
Apparently the correct response was to build an ark when instructed to by God.
All true accounts, though the land you say the Jews stole was actually given to them by God. It was a promised gift to them.
Hm, well let's see now. Earlier you wrote, "But in Paul's time there was no such thing as any government of that sort."
That's powerful words flowing in some places with understanding ... a subtle thing to those high on emotions ... and at that peak they loose it ... tis subversive to those desiring to be always on top ... we need asses to look up to and joust against the wind ... something to get over ... to the alternate side? No medium allowed ... twould be a settled thought ... too calm for the war mongers!
Thus intelligence is out there eliminated ... pistis Sophia ... and the chase is on ... so it g'oest parallel flow of 'omens ?
Graeme Decarie
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jae, by your definition, all they needed was two cats to cover the whole feline world. And two gorillas to cover the whole human world.
And God gave them the Holy Land? There was nobody there at the time?
When I wrote there was no government of that sort in biblical times - think hard. There was no such thing as a government dedicated to the welfare of the people. (And there still are few such.)
I wish Christians would pay more attention to what Jesus said about desirable behaviour - and less attention to the folk tales of The Bible.
And God gave them the Holy Land? There was nobody there at the time?
When I wrote there was no government of that sort in biblical times - think hard. There was no such thing as a government dedicated to the welfare of the people. (And there still are few such.)
I wish Christians would pay more attention to what Jesus said about desirable behaviour - and less attention to the folk tales of The Bible.
Ape's hit ... and thus they were driven by the big wind! Gore Isle is it ... bloody earth ...
Graeme Decarie
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The result of the above is that Christians rarely act in accord with the advice of Jesus. We live in a society dominated by greed and mass murder. We keep almost half of our own population in poverty. And most Christians seem not to give a damn so long as they have a passport to eternity in the clouds.
Really nebulous BS ...