Is Ontario headed for another Wynne win?

[Mendalla]

I can't either, but I can dream... And actually, I'm in a new riding, and I'm seeing a TON of Green signs around here. And we had an all candidates debate the other night, that went very well, I must say. And the Green candidate was really impressive.

Do your Green signs have the candidate name on them? The ones around here don't have the name, just the party. I think it's just because the Green name probably sells better than the candidate (who I don't know from a hole in the ground) but I still found it curious since it's the candidate name that will appear on the ballot.

 

[revsdd]

Probably cheaper to have a generic party sign than specific candidate signs for each riding. And the Greens wouldn't have the financial resources of the Big 3.

I finally found out my local Green candidate's name, but there's no picture or bio of her on the party website, unlike most of their candidate's. Probably just recently nominated.

 

[Mendalla]

Probably cheaper to have a generic party sign than specific candidate signs for each riding. And the Greens wouldn't have the financial resources of the Big 3.

I finally found out my local Green candidate's name, but there's no picture or bio of her on the party website, unlike most of their candidate's. Probably just recently nominated.

I just looked mine up. A raft of degrees and experience around environmental law and environmental issues. Would make a great environment minister if she was in a party that actually had a chance of winning.

 

[revsdd]

Our local Liberal candidate - according to her website - lives at home with her mom and sister and is pursuing a BA in political science at Western. Meaning she must live with mom and sis when she's not in school. A lot of stuff about her volunteer work, and she was a ski instructor.

Our local NDP candidate looks like he's about 15 years old and even his own website says little about his background except that he's a lifelong resident of the riding (it's apparently been a short life thus far). His website talks about things he's "passionate" about - but his passions basically just seem to parrot the NDP platform. When I was his age I was passionate about a few girls I knew in school - so he's more dedicated than I was.

And we have our Green candidate about whom not even the Green Party tells us anything.

Have I mentioned that this is a riding the PCs would have to try really, really hard to lose even if the other parties had big name candidates?

Although one must not forget the federal Orange Wave of 2011 which unexpectedly elected scads of NDP MPs in Quebec who were barely eligible to vote or otherwise completely unknown - some of whom have turned out to be decent MPs.

 

[Mendalla]

When I was his age I was passionate about a few girls I knew in school - so he's more dedicated than I was.

I knew a couple passionately political types back in high school. One did end up running for municipal and for the NDP provincially in the K-W area as well as working in various roles for the NDP.

 

[Jaebius]

whatever, Jae.

Yuo call it a deception.
Can you tell me what part you consider a deception.

When they said that youth's parmacy would be covered, they said there would be an implementation date.
That then occurred.
They have implemented the senior pharmacy, and that too has an implementation date.

Calling it a deception, is well, a deception.

Then again, that is your norm, yes?

As I have already shared Pinga, the woman on the Liberal campaign ad says that Kathleen has already made drugs free for those 65+. I see that as being a different thing than simply now having an implementation date for the policy.

 

[BetteTheRed]

Our Green candidate has his name on his sign. He's also made strategic use of large and small signs, reserving the larger signs mainly for busy thoroughfares.

 

[revjohn]

Agreed that the Liberals have been in power for quite a long time.

That said, is there a difference between McGuinty's Liberals and Wynne's Liberals?

 

[Jaebius]

Agreed that the Liberals have been in power for quite a long time.

That said, is there a difference between McGuinty's Liberals and Wynne's Liberals?

There is. Is there a difference between Wynne's Liberals and Wynne's Liberals?

 

[Mendalla]

Agreed that the Liberals have been in power for quite a long time.

That said, is there a difference between McGuinty's Liberals and Wynne's Liberals?

I think there is a difference. Wynne has swung further left policywise, I would say, while McGuinty stuck closer to centre. However, Wynne was part of that team and has not really done anything to distance herself from the more dubious parts of McGuinty's record (gas plant scandal and such) leading to the perception that she is just a continuation of McGuinty.

 

[revjohn]

I think there is a difference.

I agree. Policy wise she appears to be getting much done. Agree with it or not she hasn't been playing things safe.

It could be argued that her policy accomplishments have harmed the party votewise.

As you point out moving left means shedding centrist support which will likely go to the anything but centrist PCPO.

However, Wynne was part of that team and has not really done anything to distance herself from the more dubious parts of McGuinty's record (gas plant scandal and such) leading to the perception that she is just a continuation of McGuinty.

True enough. Though I don't see the same issue with the PCPO which continues to dream about the Harris government that was ultimately rejected as if those were in some way "glory years."

Not that Ford is summoning up the ghost of Mike Harris ( just appointing his similarly named son) in campaign stops (at least not according to reporting from Ford Nation News).

And if Wynne gets hitched to McGuinty is the only reason Ford doesn't get hitched to his brother the fact that he failed to beat Tory?

I really do not see how a city councilor who neither understood his job nor could be bothered much to do it can credibly be seen as an answer to what is wrong with Ontario.

 

[Jaebius]

I agree. Policy wise she appears to be getting much done. Agree with it or not she hasn't been playing things safe.

It could be argued that her policy accomplishments have harmed the party votewise.

As you point out moving left means shedding centrist support which will likely go to the anything but centrist PCPO.



True enough. Though I don't see the same issue with the PCPO which continues to dream about the Harris government that was ultimately rejected as if those were in some way "glory years."

Not that Ford is summoning up the ghost of Mike Harris ( just appointing his similarly named son) in campaign stops (at least not according to reporting from Ford Nation News).

And if Wynne gets hitched to McGuinty is the only reason Ford doesn't get hitched to his brother the fact that he failed to beat Tory?

I really do not see how a city councilor who neither understood his job nor could be bothered much to do it can credibly be seen as an answer to what is wrong with Ontario.

Because what is wrong with Ontario is largely Kathleen Wynne and her friends.

 

[revsdd]

There may be a difference between McGuinty and Wynne, but the problem of the party having been in power for 15 years (even if under different leaders) remains. Parties in power for too long begin to have a sense of entitlement, as if they deserve to be in power and can't imagine anyone else having power. I think back to the transition from the PCs (who had been in power for 42 years) and the Liberals in 1985. It was not pretty, and the PCs and Frank Miller were quite willing to speak of the normal transition of power according to the parliamentary process as being a "hijacking" of the government - as if no one else should legitimately be allowed to govern. The rot of corruption also begins to take hold because of that sense of entitlement. At a certain point, when there is a reasonable alternative, the normal rotation of parties holding office should take place. It will, of course, be the decision of the people of Ontario as to (1) whether the Liberals have reached that point, and (2) whether there is a reasonable alternative.

 

[Mendalla]

I really do not see how a city councilor who neither understood his job nor could be bothered much to do it can credibly be seen as an answer to what is wrong with Ontario.

That's the bottom line for me. Brown's federal experience at least showed in how he managed things and in the image he built for himself. Ford just seems to think that being Ford is enough.

 

[Pinga]

I agree. Policy wise she appears to be getting much done. Agree with it or not she hasn't been playing things safe.

It could be argued that her policy accomplishments have harmed the party votewise.

As you point out moving left means shedding centrist support which will likely go to the anything but centrist PCPO.



True enough. Though I don't see the same issue with the PCPO which continues to dream about the Harris government that was ultimately rejected as if those were in some way "glory years."

Not that Ford is summoning up the ghost of Mike Harris ( just appointing his similarly named son) in campaign stops (at least not according to reporting from Ford Nation News).

And if Wynne gets hitched to McGuinty is the only reason Ford doesn't get hitched to his brother the fact that he failed to beat Tory?

I really do not see how a city councilor who neither understood his job nor could be bothered much to do it can credibly be seen as an answer to what is wrong with Ontario.

This! Thanks @rev

 

[Jaebius]

That's the bottom line for me. Brown's federal experience at least showed in how he managed things and in the image he built for himself. Ford just seems to think that being Ford is enough.

Ford's greatest asset isn't in being Ford. It's in his being not-Wynne.

 

[Mendalla]

Ford's greatest asset isn't in being Ford. It's in his being not-Wynne.

Depends. For one segment, yes. But there's also the Ford Nation crowd who've been behind him and Rob since their municipal days and for them, being Ford is important. If someone else had won, that still would have been not-Wynne but I doubt they'd enjoy the support he is in Toronto.

 

[Waterfall]

I've heard a lot of negativity about Wynne....it's time to balance the sheet, because I know negativity sells.......what has she accomplished and does it outweigh the bad?

 

[Jaebius]

I've heard a lot of negativity about Wynne....it's time to balance the sheet, because I know negativity sells.......what has she accomplished and does it outweigh the bad?

She and her friends made drugs free for people -25.

 

[Waterfall]

She and her friends made drugs free for people -25.

Ontario has become a leader in economic growth in the last three years, which allows for more government programs such as this.