Possibly you read what I said wrong? It was meaning that no one being "good enough" should not think they are better than the other and therefore deserve heaven more than the other. Grace takes care of that.
Resurrection: Does Your Minister/Church Preach What You Believe?
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In other words: in reality the utopian is a failure ... I.E. folly ... or even logical fallacy? Logic does not do well in a world suffering deluge of emotions ... thus delusion Aries ...
Dark, unseen powers must then withdraw thoughts from time to time ... in quantum jumps ... almost like leap or' Zae ...
unsafe
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unsafe says
So the comment above by PilgrimsProgress in Waterfall's post --- to me is saying that all should be in heaven because God loves all Creation unconditionally ----he should just ignore His word and what He did out of His unconditional Love for His Creation by making a way back to Him through the sacrifice of His only Son --- repairing the damage done by His Creation ------
So this to me says that Jesus died for nothing ---He shed His Blood for nothing ---as we will all be free of the sins we commit in the end ----and end up all happy together in Heaven with God ----and that all murders ---child molesters ----rapists ----stalkers ----Drug Dealers --- and the like ----plus the people who reject God and His word and all who worship other gods and Religions ---will all get into heaven without paying a price for their sinful actions -----What kind of Parent would allow their children to go unpunished for disobeying their parent's rules -----this just seems off the rails for me ------A parent who loves their child unconditionally will want to discipline their child for bad behaviour I would think --you still love the child unconditionally but not their disobedience to the rules set out for the Child -----this is my view on this -----
unsafe says
So Now under the New Covenant of Grace -----Jesus paid the price for all Sins for All People for All time ------So Sin today is not the issue for all murders ---child molesters ----rapists ----stalkers ----Drug Dealers --- and the like ---The Issue Now is Rejecting Jesus Christ by and through Faith who paid the price for all their sinful deeds -----The Ransom has been paid for all sin for all time ------
Now if anyone Rejects Jesus as their Lord and Saviour who died for all and paid the price for all sins by and through the shedding of His Blood ----then they will according to scripture ----will have their names removed from the Book of Life and will reside in a place of torment
Now we have every right to believe or disbelieve what God's word says ------and we will Only Know the Real Truth when we all bow before God in the end of our time here on this earth ------So until then -we will continue to just speculate and hope that what our beliefs or unbelief's are the right ones in the end -----
unsafe says ---------Here is the reality of both sides in my view -----
The ones who believe in Jesus dying on the Cross to set us free from sin and death as it says in His Word ---and receiving by and through Faith Jesus as our Lord and Saviour-- if Not True in the end have nothing to loose in the end -----they just believed for nothing
The ones who reject Jesus and what He did on the Cross to set all free from sin and death as it says in His Word ---and refuse to receive by and through Faith Jesus as their Lord and Saviour and it turns out to Be True in the end do have something to loose according to scripture -----
We are given Free will to choose ---so we all have no one to blame for our Choice but ourselves in the end -----Our Life --Our Choice to live in belief or unbelief of what God says in His word -----God's word says it is the Truth ----who are we to argue with that ? -----
unsafe says and posted poster
Food for thought for us all
So the comment above by PilgrimsProgress in Waterfall's post --- to me is saying that all should be in heaven because God loves all Creation unconditionally ----he should just ignore His word and what He did out of His unconditional Love for His Creation by making a way back to Him through the sacrifice of His only Son --- repairing the damage done by His Creation ------
So this to me says that Jesus died for nothing ---He shed His Blood for nothing ---as we will all be free of the sins we commit in the end ----and end up all happy together in Heaven with God ----and that all murders ---child molesters ----rapists ----stalkers ----Drug Dealers --- and the like ----plus the people who reject God and His word and all who worship other gods and Religions ---will all get into heaven without paying a price for their sinful actions -----What kind of Parent would allow their children to go unpunished for disobeying their parent's rules -----this just seems off the rails for me ------A parent who loves their child unconditionally will want to discipline their child for bad behaviour I would think --you still love the child unconditionally but not their disobedience to the rules set out for the Child -----this is my view on this -----
unsafe says
So Now under the New Covenant of Grace -----Jesus paid the price for all Sins for All People for All time ------So Sin today is not the issue for all murders ---child molesters ----rapists ----stalkers ----Drug Dealers --- and the like ---The Issue Now is Rejecting Jesus Christ by and through Faith who paid the price for all their sinful deeds -----The Ransom has been paid for all sin for all time ------
Now if anyone Rejects Jesus as their Lord and Saviour who died for all and paid the price for all sins by and through the shedding of His Blood ----then they will according to scripture ----will have their names removed from the Book of Life and will reside in a place of torment
Now we have every right to believe or disbelieve what God's word says ------and we will Only Know the Real Truth when we all bow before God in the end of our time here on this earth ------So until then -we will continue to just speculate and hope that what our beliefs or unbelief's are the right ones in the end -----
unsafe says ---------Here is the reality of both sides in my view -----
The ones who believe in Jesus dying on the Cross to set us free from sin and death as it says in His Word ---and receiving by and through Faith Jesus as our Lord and Saviour-- if Not True in the end have nothing to loose in the end -----they just believed for nothing
The ones who reject Jesus and what He did on the Cross to set all free from sin and death as it says in His Word ---and refuse to receive by and through Faith Jesus as their Lord and Saviour and it turns out to Be True in the end do have something to loose according to scripture -----
We are given Free will to choose ---so we all have no one to blame for our Choice but ourselves in the end -----Our Life --Our Choice to live in belief or unbelief of what God says in His word -----God's word says it is the Truth ----who are we to argue with that ? -----
unsafe says and posted poster
Food for thought for us all
blackbelt1961
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I would agree, The Creator is not an unjust God, thus His Glory, and His Son, testifies to this
Happy Retiree
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To go back to the original questions. No, my minister does not preach what I believe, and no, I probably will not be in church.
The church, to me, spends too much time on Christmas and Easter as if they happened exactly as the Bible says, and had we been there with a video camera we could have recorded it all.
Please, don't quote scripture at me to try to show me the errors of my ways.
Jesus asked us to follow him, not to worship him. Had the church expected people to follow Jesus, rather than emphasized what one must believe to get into heaven, the world would be a much better place.
The church, to me, spends too much time on Christmas and Easter as if they happened exactly as the Bible says, and had we been there with a video camera we could have recorded it all.
Please, don't quote scripture at me to try to show me the errors of my ways.
Jesus asked us to follow him, not to worship him. Had the church expected people to follow Jesus, rather than emphasized what one must believe to get into heaven, the world would be a much better place.
Is this imagined ... by some power hungry ... monarchist?
Consider some monarchist authorized the book of pious laws ... as well as the attitude about oppressing knowledge, thought and intelligence ...
After that the Riemann Conjecture about zero structures ... like that ... nothing to wit ...
Bertrand Russell like it ... then he was more partial to free thought than free wiles ...
unsafe
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Happy Retiree -------your quote ------Please, don't quote scripture at me to try to show me the errors of my ways.
unsafe says -----
Don't need scripture to show us the error of our ways -----
unsafe asks --------
Why do you think Happy Retiree that scripture needs to be quoted to show you the error of your ways ?
unsafe says -----
Don't need scripture to show us the error of our ways -----
unsafe asks --------
Why do you think Happy Retiree that scripture needs to be quoted to show you the error of your ways ?
O'heavens ... people without intellectual understandings .. would need some ruling scripture to regurgitate ...
In and out without process ?
Northwind
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Did you read Happy Retiree's post?
I think that is a question for you unsafe since you often use scripture to show others the errors of their ways and to show the virtues of your position.
unsafe
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Northwind ---your quote -------Did you read Happy Retiree's post?
unsafe says ------I did no where do I see my name mentioned in the post -----
Northwind ------your quote ----I think that is a question for you unsafe
unsafe says ---where is the question for me ---all I see is statements made by this person -----here is the post ----tell me where the question for me is -----to me it is a general statement the way I see it --this person is responding to the OP -----it seems to me to be more about the Church than me -----just saying -----
Happy Retiree said -----
To go back to the original questions. No, my minister does not preach what I believe, and no, I probably will not be in church.
The church, to me, spends too much time on Christmas and Easter as if they happened exactly as the Bible says, and had we been there with a video camera we could have recorded it all.
Please, don't quote scripture at me to try to show me the errors of my ways.
Jesus asked us to follow him, not to worship him. Had the church expected people to follow Jesus, rather than emphasized what one must believe to get into heaven, the world would be a much better place.
unsafe says ------I did no where do I see my name mentioned in the post -----
Northwind ------your quote ----I think that is a question for you unsafe
unsafe says ---where is the question for me ---all I see is statements made by this person -----here is the post ----tell me where the question for me is -----to me it is a general statement the way I see it --this person is responding to the OP -----it seems to me to be more about the Church than me -----just saying -----
Happy Retiree said -----
To go back to the original questions. No, my minister does not preach what I believe, and no, I probably will not be in church.
The church, to me, spends too much time on Christmas and Easter as if they happened exactly as the Bible says, and had we been there with a video camera we could have recorded it all.
Please, don't quote scripture at me to try to show me the errors of my ways.
Jesus asked us to follow him, not to worship him. Had the church expected people to follow Jesus, rather than emphasized what one must believe to get into heaven, the world would be a much better place.
blackbelt1961
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well that is because, scripture is the bases of our faith .
so If were christian, its one thing to interpreter scripture and totally something else to completely disregard it and come up with our own thoughts.
for example, @Happy Retiree said :
"Jesus asked us to follow him, not to worship him. Had the church expected people to follow Jesus, rather than emphasized what one must believe to get into heaven, the world would be a much better place."
if you read scripture, Jesus was worshiped as God and Jesus accepted it, so we can quote the verse and discuses as to its meaning or we don't look to scripture at all , and can come up with all sorts of thoughts on Jesus.
I would suggest the later is the more destructive one
BTY, following someones life to guide our own is a form of worship
Bolt_upright
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If a church assembly who's mission statement puts emphasis on becoming potential joint heirs of the inheritance/kingdom through what was done by the anointed One, instead of being considered the "condemnation of the wicked" by the anointed One.
Or saying one is destined for the judgement of the wicked for not making a choice to accept a name or belief of a cirtain doctrine.
I would jump on board real quick.
Or saying one is destined for the judgement of the wicked for not making a choice to accept a name or belief of a cirtain doctrine.
I would jump on board real quick.
GeoFee
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George
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blackbelt1961
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I know Jesus is as well, but scripture is also a part of our faith
blackbelt1961
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