Was Adam part of the creation process?

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This interpretation of Rabbi Bereshit, as to why there are two creation stories is interesting.

Genesis Chapter 1
-begins in a universe of water
-the process is divided in six well ordered days
-has a clear conclusion
-man is created last, comparable to a king that comes to the table after it has been set

Genesis Chapter 2
-the universe is dry and no rain has fallen
-there is no division of days
-no conclusion and flows into the story of the Garden of Eden
-man is created at the beginning and sees the entire world being created

For more on this:
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revjohn said:
Which time? Bolt_upright notices that there is a slight discrepancy between the Creation account dominating Genesis 1 and the retelling/different account in Genesis 2.

For my part I don't think that the chronology serves any purpose greater than putting the storytelling into a framework. It allows Creation to be thought of in a concrete sense rather than a more nuanced development of all things. Attention to the literal order and time shows a greater interest in the recipe used and not the chef who does the actual baking.

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Hi John --Could GOD" want to show you something. Could it be there were two kinds of Beings on the earth? Did GOD not put Adam an His family is The Garden of Eden? A place were Humankind" could not go" when Cain was sent out there they were humankind.. These are in the days of mighty men. No I guess your right , there is nothing there for you. You may note all three of Noahs Son are married". One though is married to a women of men. The rest on the Ark, were children of GOD" Born through Adam, .airclean33-Gord.
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unsafe says
For those interested in maybe why there are 2 Creation stories ---this is the way two men explains it in the first 5 minutes of the video - -------you decide if you want to believe it or not ----





unsafe says
Here is another short explanation -----

 
Waterfall said:
This interpretation of Rabbi Bereshit, as to why there are two creation stories is interesting.

Genesis Chapter 1
-begins in a universe of water
-the process is divided in six well ordered days
-has a clear conclusion
-man is created last, comparable to a king that comes to the table after it has been set

Genesis Chapter 2
-the universe is dry and no rain has fallen
-there is no division of days
-no conclusion and flows into the story of the Garden of Eden
-man is created at the beginning and sees the entire world being created

For more on this:
Bereshit
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Actually, though, his real point is the importance of the two different views of God presented; the remote Lord creating by fiat versus the more present God labouring to make things right. Great piece. Thanks for posting it.
 
airclean33 said:
Hi John --Could GOD" want to show you something.
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You seem to know God better than the rest of us what do you think?

airclean33 said:
Could it be there were two kinds of Beings on the earth?
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Nothing in the text says that there couldn't be. Of course nothing in the text says that there was. In order to build an argument for or against we would need something more than silence.

At no point in either Creation account does the narrative explain that different kinds of beings were created. The only distinction in created beings appears along Gender lines. In Genesis 1 God created male and female beings in God's own image. In Genesis 2 Adam is made from the dust and Eve is made later from Adam's rib.

airclean33 said:
Did GOD not put Adam an His family is The Garden of Eden? A place were Humankind" could not go"
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God did put Adam and Eve in the Garden. They must have been human unless they did not reproduce after their own kind. So the notion that humanity could not enter the garden doesn't fly. Indeed, the only time they are banned from the garden is after the fall when God placed a seraph and the flaming sword at the entrance to the garden to prevent human beings from returning to the garden.

What scripture doesn't do is explain where the brides of Cain and Seth came from. I'm guessing their origins were not particularly important to the story and that shows that neither of the Creation accounts is an exhaustive accounting of every single aspect of the Creation.

airclean33 said:
when Cain was sent out there they were humankind.
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There were. Which begs a question that scripture never feels compelled to ask. Where do these humans come from? Did somebody other than God create them? If God created them were they made exactly like Adam and Eve or were they made differently? Why does neither Creation account bother to include the creation of two different types of beings if, as you seem to be saying, that Adam and Eve were different than other human beings?

airclean33 said:
These are in the days of mighty men.
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The "Mighty Men" (KJV) don't get mentioned until Genesis 6: 4. Different translations describe them as heroes or warriors of reknown. Probably difficult to become one until there are at least other humans around to fight with.

Genesis 5 gives the generations between Adam and Noah. Genesis 5 only bothers to mention Seth as a child of Adam though we know that Cain and Able were born to Adam before Seth was. Women generally not included in the genealogies so it is possible that they had daughters and those daughters bred with Cain and Seth. Genesis 4 gives the genealogy of Cain.

So, in the silence of the scripture either Cain and Seth married unnamed sisters or they were cross-breeding with other beings.

It really depends on how literal and how complete you are going to force the scriptures to be.

airclean33 said:
You may note all three of Noahs Son are married". One though is married to a women of men. The rest on the Ark, were children of GOD" Born through Adam
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All three sons were married. Nowhere in the Protestant Canon of scriptures do we read that only one of the sons was married to a women of men.

No children were born on the ark according to the scriptures.

According to the way geneologies were employed in scripture all of Noah's sons would have been of the line of Adam. The line of Adam doesn't extend through to the progeny of all three sons.

Maybe you intend to introduce the Nephilim into the conversation. Not really sure how that follows on the allegation that Neo is a false prophet or how it connects to the rest of the conversation. The Nephilim, being destroyed in the flood really have no bearing on who comes out of the ark unless you are saying that the wives of Noah's son's were daughters of Nephilim and all of the off-spring they produced was tainted.

Which is interesting.

But pointless since God chooses not to make bones about it.

What is interesting is that some believe that Genesis 6 records the "sons of God" angels procreating with human women. As if the phrase "sons of God" can only refer to angelic beings (it isn't). And apart from that they understand the Nephilim to be the by-product of Angelic-human coupling. But the text doesn't say that. the text says only,

KJV Genesis 6: 4 said:
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
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NRSV Genesis 6: 4 said:
The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went in to the daughters of humans, who bore children to them. These were the heroes that were of old, warriors of renown.
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There is quite a bit of debate as to who the Nephilim are. Are they creatures existing alongside of the Mighty Men/Heroes of renown or are they actually the Mighty Men/Heroes of renown?

Are they spiritual beings or are they human beings?

If they were destroyed in the flood how do they show up again in Canaan well after the flood?

Do they know what we are supposed to do with a false prophet? Do they know why you refuse to answer that question?
 
He who is spiritual judges all "things" spiritual. Let flesh judge the "flesh/person" for what the flesh does.
Most High judges all spiritual people .this is what the Spirit does.
 
One has to wonder why Adam is the only one who is "placed" in the garden to tend the garden and "keep" it. No reference to the woman until after naming the animals.
Then in a deep sleep did Most High take from Adam part of his side, to form Adam/woman. It state in Gen.5 they were named the same name "Adam" when they were created for a very important reason.

There two accounts in the way it is written descrbing when "the Adam" were created but to simply put in child like terms.
If one sees a match of a couple who are deeply in love in the story of Adam and "Eve", that is great! But I don't see it the same way as most.

Through out this thread will be what I would describe as a revelation that has taken over 10 years for me to finally come to terms with and figure out why is this all happining??

Many friends and family think I'm still a bit "manic" at times.I use the term revelation because it is what it is to me, but to you folks it's just second hand knowledge.
The Teacher will indeed test the weight of any comment made by myself as second hand until it is revealed through reading scripture and finding those things that are easily seen, yet unexplained to the intellectual human mind.
 
One question got to me as to why, if Adam/man was not born of woman, why is he actually quoted in scripture saying " She shall be called woman because she was taken out of man. Therfore a man shall leave both father and " mother" and become united, cleave to his wife.

Many many questions evolve from these scriptures.
 
Hi John ---You seem to really long, to have me ,give an answer to this.
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Do they know what we are supposed to do with a false prophet?
Do they know why you refuse to answer that question?

--Airclean--post--
Do I know yes , but I will bet, you don't."
 
airclean33 said:
Hi John ---You seem to really long, to have me ,give an answer to this.
--John--post--.......
Do they know what we are supposed to do with a false prophet?
Do they know why you refuse to answer that question?

--Airclean--post--
Do I know yes , but I will bet, you don't."
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I would like to hear your answer......
 
Here's what I've found in the Bible about what to do to a false prophet...

"But the man who told you what will happen or dreams will bring you down from the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God, who freed you from the land, will die because he has told you about you. You were a servant. He tried to turn you as the Lord your God commanded you to walk. You must sin and leave you" - Deuteronomy 13:5.
 
Jae said:
Here's what I've found in the Bible about what to do to a false prophet...

"But the man who told you what will happen or dreams will bring you down from the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God, who freed you from the land, will die because he has told you about you. You were a servant. He tried to turn you as the Lord your God commanded you to walk. You must sin and leave you" - Deuteronomy 13:5.
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And what does this mean?
 
Jae said:
Well, as I read it, it says you're supposed to kill a false prophet. One more reason to not go slapping the label on someone willy-nilly.
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That doesn't sound very loving.....I wonder why they sometimes killed true prophets too?
 
In the garden, the whole creation of Adam/woman is like the oposite of the virgin woman bearing a man child. The man had a small piece removed and woman was formed but was adult woman. As oposed to small part of woman was removed to form a man child as was born an infant male.
 
I believe those "sons of God" referenced in chapter 6 were those created on day 6.
I believe Adam was part of the creation process as first created from the earth, of the earth, with a living soul/identity name given by Most High.
I believe Adam was more than man but angelic in a way that he was neither man or woman but both in image and likeness in one body. At least he was before the woman was created after him.
I don't think there is mention of blood until after the fall of Adam.
Before creation stopped, there was Adam. After creation and rest is where we see a separation, and a creation unlike what Adam was before.
 
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