Airclean 33 -----your quote ---But I believe in George", he I believe is not one, of the bad guys".
Show me where I have said anything bad about George the person -----
This is what I have said about George ---this is from post #655 ---this is what I wrote ----this is the first time I write about his comments about him being arrested ----
unsafe posted this statement
You think it was a smart thing for
you to go against your Church and do as you please and blame them for your bad actions and consequences ---The Church is for all Spiritually poor people --and anyone without the Holy Spirit indwelling in them are Poor in Spirit no matter what the possess physically in this world -----
I am focusing on his actions here not George the person -----
unsafe -- from post # 658 ----to revjohn
So
for me this was not from God in my view ----This was someone acting on their own power ---
I understand that GeoFee always has good intentions and is a man of God at heart trying to help the helpless and this is a good thing to do --I just think it works better and victory will result if God is the director not ourselves -----that s just my view ---
Focusing here on action by self effort ----
This is my third response to monk ------post #665 ----
I believe GeoFee is a very good person but got caught up in his carnality state ---God says your either with me or against me -----there is no inbetween -----you can't mix God's ways with this world's ways ----the end result is what GeoFee experienced ----there are 3 types of man ---Natural Man ---living in this world as an unbeliever ----
Carnal Man ---Born Again mixing God and this word ---unstable ---trying to serve 2 masters --Spiritual Man ---depends on the Holy Spirit for all spiritual matters and direction in this world ----up to us to mature from our carnal state to our Spiritual state ----and it is not an easy task ----it takes work and much practice as well as the hunger to attain it and keep growing -----
Focusing on Carnal state here and the Christ--ian ----not judging George the person but his state of mind
unsafe posted this from
ttps://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/carnal/
Carnal
Of the flesh; denoting human nature.
For ye are yet
CARNAL: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions,
are ye not CARNAL, and walk as men? (
1 Corinthians 1:1 Exodus 3:3 )
Christians may be carnal (sarkinos,
1 Corinthians 3:1; sarkikos,
1 Corinthians 3:3);
the lower side of their being is dominant and not the spirit, hence, they fall into sins of envy and strife.
The carnal mind is enmity against God" ("mind of the flesh" the Revised Version (British and American), the American Standard Revised Version,
Romans 8:7).
So, "to be carnally minded is death" ("mind of the flesh"
unsafe says
So here is the scoop airclean33 ---unless we have advanced to the Spiritual Man which is where all Christians should strive to reach ---
We are Carnal Christians ----and can fall into sin and create our own demise by and through the sins we do ---- as Carnal Christians You are Born Again and God does not impute the sin we commit to us but we bring upon ourselves the consequences of our actions -----So unless GeoFee has attained the Spiritual man status which I doubt any of us will achieve the top of the line status in our lifetime --then we are Carnally minded and prone to sin and all the emotions of envy --strife ---anger ---criticism of others --etc ----- if we choose to break a law we are in sin and that sin will have consequences ---which we brought to ourselves by our choice to participate in that sin action ----
As Carnal Christians we need to work every minute of every day to mature to get out of our Carnality -----so we can advance in our walk with God and come nearer to Him relying on him to direct our path ----God said ---do not be conformed to this world but be Changed by the renewing of our minds -----It is the Carnal mind that needs changing until we do that we are living double minded --unstable ---mixing 2 world ---serving 2 master ----none of us are free of this until we want to be and work and practice to be and move up to the Spiritual Man Statue ---listening only to The Holy Spirit in our quest to live in this world and be free of our Carnal thinking and acting ---
My 4th post to George -----post # 676 ---
If you personally think that you were directed by the Holy Spirit to do these thing --- Unlawful assembly, creating a disturbance and assaulting a police officer. -----and then use your Church to help the homeless which brought fear into a neighbourhood without considering what the neighbours might think if you were to bring the homeless into your Church
----then you go right ahead and think that ------
We disagree on this issue ----and the scripture I posted above tells us who is responsible for fights --arguments and quarrels etc ----
Again focusing on the behaviour -----not the person ------
unsafe says
We are call to Agape all people airclean33 -----that means the person ----it does not mean that we are to accept and agree and condone wrong actions of the person -----no matter what happened with GeoFee in this incident ----he was there and was charged that is the truth ---the charges were his consequences ----and it cost him emotionally as well as his wife's emotions from what I read ----so he paid his do for his action ----
Every time a Christ--ian sins we grieve the Holy Spirit -----We have Grace to call on to keep us free from taken sin action ----If we don't call on that Grace then we are falling short of advancing in our walk toward becoming the top Man ----which is that Spiritual Man God wants all His Children to be in the end ------All up to us to choose our direction for the end result -----Many are happy to stay in their Carnal State knowing that they are heaven bound ---some want to advance to the last level and are willing to put the time in to do that -----
I am one of those people -----working every minute of every day to improve ---
The Spiritual Man
http://www.wgbd.org/oldcto252.html
"But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ" (1 Cor. 2:15–16).
The spiritual man has and is continuing to crucify the lusts of the flesh, the lusts of the eye, and the pride of life – the Self-life. Self (carnality) will never take one step after Jesus. But when Self is denied, if we take up the cross, the old, sinful, Adamic nature will be slain out of us by the Word, by the Spirit, by the blood of Jesus, and we shall come to the mind of Christ. Again, this is a process. And then Paul says, referring to the inner circle, "But we have the mind of Christ."
Now, the three most dominant characteristics of the spiritual man are: 1)
he has the mind of Christ, 2)
he has the fruits of the Spirit, and
3) he is led by the Spirit.
The Mind of Christ. Although the carnal Christian is very much focused on his conversion or experiences in the gift area, the spiritual Christian is focused on Christ himself, on the greatness of Christ, the beauty of Christ, the work of Christ, the mystery of Christ in us, the hope of glory.
The spiritual man has been transformed by the renewing of his mind, and he thinks as Christ thinks. He acts and reacts as Christ acts and reacts. He loves and overcomes as Christ loves and overcomes. He will never go anywhere unless he knows Christ goes with him. He will not watch anything unless Christ is with him in the watching. He is abiding in Christ, and Christ is abiding in him. His destiny is with Christ. As Christ overcame, so he overcomes, for only he that overcometh shall receive the crown of life (Rev. 2:10).
The Fruits of the Spirit. "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control" (Gal. 5:22 NIV). Again, anyone filled with the Spirit has the fruit of the Spirit. You cannot have the fruit of the Spirit without having been filled with the Spirit. But as we learned earlier, you can have the gifts of the Spirit without being filled with the Spirit. Jesus did not say by their gifts but by their fruits you shall know them (Matt. 7:16). This is not to degrade the gifts. He who degrades the gifts, degrades the Giver of the gifts. The gifts are given for the edifying and ministry of the church. They are very precious, but we must not confuse the gifts of the Spirit with the fruit of the Spirit.
Led by the Spirit. "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God" (Rom. 8:14).
The spiritual man is led by the Spirit. The Holy Spirit will tell him where to go, when to go, what to say, what not to say, and what to do. The Holy Spirit will check him if he is headed in the wrong direction or for the wrong words. Learning to walk by the Spirit, of course, also takes time. We will be learning as we are following Jesus in obedience. Jesus said, "My sheep hear my voice...and they follow me" (John 10:27). We cannot follow unless we hear, and we cannot hear unless the Self-life with all its criticism, complaints, and selfish ideas is crucified out of us.
So, my friend, there are three types of men: the natural, the carnal, and the spiritual. Which of these are you, and how will you stand before the Great White Throne?
