Seriously God, you chose them??????

[airclean33]

I see neither experience nor intelligence in AC's interpretation of scripture. He's likely read stuff and gone "that's cool, I like that" (not in so many words but that general sentiment). I see much experience and intelligence in the interpretations we get from the revs. They haven't been taught AN interpretation but HOW TO read and interpret. That's a huge difference between someone with a Master's degree and someone parroting something they read. Having the credentials doesn't automatically make one an expert, but it does mean you've put in some effort on learning skills that help you become one. It means you've spent time digesting and critically thinking about ideas rather than just swallowing them whole. This is why I largely ignore AC and read John and Steven closely. I learn things from them, I get ideas from them.

Hi Mendalla--- You know Mendalla my thoughts of you were you seem to be a kind of smart fellow. I just could not understand why someone who seem so smart could turn his back on GOD. But what you posted here seems to show why you did that. I believe now you" never really knew GOD. That's really to bad in that your a guy that seems very interested in the universe and would like to know more of it. I think myself if I wanted to know something about a Picture. I would love to talk to the artist who painted it. Wouldn't you like to talk with that Person who made the universe? That person I get to talk to almost every day. He is the same Person who made you and me " and all other life. When you look at the Universe "do you not note the calm "and organization in it? It has all the marks of GOD" not of Man. GOD is number one in all things. All Glory is His.

 

[GordW]

@airclean33 I invite (or ask or beg) you to read that last post as if someone had written it to you. DO you truly not see how arrogant and condescending you are being? This is a pattern, one that gets in the way of any point you are trying to communicate. It is a pattern of making you seem impervious to other's point of view and if your attempt is to evangelize or to win others over to your way of understanding you need to at least pretend to honor what others say. THat is the point I have been trying (and failing apparently) to make to you in this thread.

I do not insist you agree with me or Mendalla or anyone else. I do suggest you might want to look at how your communication might be "heard" by others (We all need to do that from time to time)

 

[airclean33]

@airclean33 I invite (or ask or beg) you to read that last post as if someone had written it to you. DO you truly not see how arrogant and condescending you are being? This is a pattern, one that gets in the way of any point you are trying to communicate. It is a pattern of making you seem impervious to other's point of view and if your attempt is to evangelize or to win others over to your way of understanding you need to at least pretend to honor what others say. THat is the point I have been trying (and failing apparently) to make to you in this thread.

I do not insist you agree with me or Mendalla or anyone else. I do suggest you might want to look at how your communication might be "heard" by others (We all need to do that from time to time)
army

--Hi --GordW----I don't belong to myself Gord. My Life is GODS" to do with me as He wants. You think He want's His church today " believing The Lord Jesus The Christ is A lamb. The Lord I follow is a King. He came as a Lamb the first time . The next time He" comes it will be as The LORD of Heaven . Lord of Heavens army, King of Kings on Earth . And in Heaven. Try having a real good look at The Book of Revelation. It will explain what's just up ahead". I have no wish to see anyone lost" . Nor dose The Lord I follow. airclean33

 

[GordW]

Point missed again.

 

[Luce NDs]

@airclean33 I invite (or ask or beg) you to read that last post as if someone had written it to you. DO you truly not see how arrogant and condescending you are being? This is a pattern, one that gets in the way of any point you are trying to communicate. It is a pattern of making you seem impervious to other's point of view and if your attempt is to evangelize or to win others over to your way of understanding you need to at least pretend to honor what others say. THat is the point I have been trying (and failing apparently) to make to you in this thread.

I do not insist you agree with me or Mendalla or anyone else. I do suggest you might want to look at how your communication might be "heard" by others (We all need to do that from time to time)

God is like nothing to some people that would rather not get sucked into that unseen spot creating a mark between the ears of them not observing everything as we rip through that tapestry ... in the rush to get nowhere ... where it seems nothing exists when nothing is not ... ain't that sum thin to explain to those to those exposed to a flash and not knowing what to do with that Eire ... as Ur rye out on a' Moors ... Jean Ayer? Thus with that yes he was swept off his fete into deep rest ... a mire remnant of nothing being redrawn in dark silhouette ...

This world is just chaos and they don't know it as they rush for the physical grasp ... when it is beyond those excluded by the already rich ... and thus the balance knows nothing as the archetype of time wished as a carryover from Dark Ages of time ... a staged act to amuse those beyond this painful existence listening to BS! My mother as extremely stern on BS ... put me in the aft position ... predetermined to steerage ... although the host back there are heavy and causing the R's end is yawNG causing instability in the vessel getting this ship of fools under way in the ink'n and blinking node ...

The crap you don't see in the dark can be more dangerous that what's flat out ...

Thus siliceous modelling ... stone arcs? Some call eM hard missals on stuff unknown ...

 

[airclean33]

Point missed again.

--I am sorry you think that way Minister. May your eyes an ears be opened . May you be guided by GODS Voice and His ways only.

PS--I think I do understand your post Gord. I just don't follow the way of man. I don't belong to any Denominations. For my Minister is Spirit . My church is of Jesus The Christ" and Him only will I follow. God be with you.

 

[unsafe]

airclean33 ---your quote ----- For my Minister is Spirit .

unsafe says ----
There are many Ministers Preaching on their own merit sending their Church down the wrong path to destruction ----now to me that is what is Sad and damaging ---this is just my view -----

 

[Jaebius]

airclean33 ---your quote ----- For my Minister is Spirit .

unsafe says ----
There are many Ministers Preaching on their own merit sending their Church down the wrong path to destruction ----now to me that is what is Sad and damaging ---this is just my view -----

In order to prevent this,

, what to you is what must be preached? What is the gospel core that should be present in all church contexts?

 

[Luce NDs]

Always the lesser people should be put down ... tis NT stuff about the first to come last ... no chit about the justice in the Golden Rule ... its subversive! GD the humble ... the best should win ... they are greater --- some pathetic leader!

And toh eL with the lesser --- the humble god!

 

[airclean33]

In order to prevent this,

, what to you is what must be preached? What is the gospel core that should be present in all church contexts?

Hi Jae There is but one GOD" One Lord and Son and Head of The Church" That being Jesus The Lord Christ. Is there any other leader of church ", you kneel to? I cry as well Jae" for others who neal to other leaders. That is others who would call them self's leaders." Well trying to get others to believe there Lies. All church's are one with one Leader THE Lord JESUS ,THE CHRIST.

 

[unsafe]

Jae ----

 

[Jaebius]

Hi Jae There is but one GOD" One Lord and Son and Head of The Church" That being Jesus The Lord Christ. Is there any other leader of church ", you kneel to?

So to you the gospel core is that...
1. There is but one God.
2. Jesus the Lord Christ is the one Lord and Son and Head of the Church.
It's interesting to me. I'm currently studying contextual ministry, and the gospel core is part of the translation model. So, is it your belief that the best way to do ministry is to take these two beliefs (1 and 2) into new contexts?

As for the question you have asked me, I bow only to God, as best I understand God, as God has revealed Godself to me in Scripture, tradition, and culture.

 

[Jaebius]

Jae ----

And just what is "the Word" in any given context unsafe? And should be the one(s) doing theology?

 

[chansen]

Point missed again.

--I am sorry you think that way Minister. May your eyes an ears be opened . May you be guided by GODS Voice and His ways only.

PS--I think I do understand your post Gord. I just don't follow the way of man. I don't belong to any Denominations. For my Minister is Spirit . My church is of Jesus The Christ" and Him only will I follow. God be with you.

You repeatedly make me think of God, only because if he does exist, how pissed at you he must be. You are *killing* your own credibility, and you're doing Christianity no favours. I'm perfectly fine with it, but imagining God's reaction is the most amusing thing about your contributions.

airclean33 ---your quote ----- For my Minister is Spirit .

unsafe says ----
There are many Ministers Preaching on their own merit sending their Church down the wrong path to destruction ----now to me that is what is Sad and damaging ---this is just my view -----

Seriously? This is what you post?

 

[airclean33]

So to you the gospel core is that...
1. There is but one God.
2. Jesus the Lord Christ is the one Lord and Son and Head of the Church.
It's interesting to me. I'm currently studying contextual ministry, and the gospel core is part of the translation model. So, is it your belief that the best way to do ministry is to take these two beliefs (1 and 2) into new contexts?

As for the question you have asked me, I bow only to God, as best I understand God, as God has revealed Godself to me in Scripture, tradition, and culture.

Hi Jae--I believe you best start with Jesus . As I think it kind of hard to come to God THE FATHER with out going through Him.

 

[Mendalla]

you're doing Christianity no favours

I don't know that many will judge Christianity by him. I'd say that would be their error, not his. And everyone who has been here for any length of time pretty much discounts him anyway save a couple who actually share beliefs with him (like unsafe).

 

[airclean33]

You repeatedly make me think of God, only because if he does exist, how pissed at you he must be. You are *killing* your own credibility, and you're doing Christianity no favours. I'm perfectly fine with it, but imagining God's reaction is the most amusing thing about your contributions.

Airclean--post. Chansen you have tried a number of times to Judge me " are you sure you want to try again?

 

[chansen]

Airclean represents a face of Christianity. Only one, and not its most attractive side, but a side. His is one possible interpretation, because the book is vague. Anyone who claims it isn't, has to explain the thousands of different denominations based on it.

And all I'm saying, literally, is that he does the faith "no favours". It would be best for Christianity if he would discuss with people who demonstrate their deeper understanding of the text and the multiple interpretations they have learned and derive themselves from it, that they weigh and struggle with themselves. Instead, we have a "my way or the highway" approach being taken by the person who has the least credibility, which is really just a common formula for a good laugh.

 

[chansen]

Airclean--post. Chansen you have tried a number of times to Judge me " are you sure you want to try again?

Dude, you're funny. Besides, I thought only God could judge you? If he is, you've got him turning red.

 

[Jaebius]

Hi Jae--I believe you best start with Jesus . As I think it kind of hard to come to God THE FATHER with out going through Him.

If you were a missionary airclean, going to do ministry in a foreign country, would your goal be to bring Jesus to the people there?