TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?

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She was the second wave feminist who equated heterosexual sex with rape. She was a cool lady, but was known for her "pushing the envelope" type statements.
 
I don't know about anyone else here, but I'm not "afraid" of alt-anything expressions of extremism. I'm bemused by many of them, would love to talk about any of them, but except for violence, which I am afraid of if it is directed at, or around me (and local police departments seem to be fond of a rather loud aggressive approach to situations than they used to be), I am not "afraid" of ideas. I think many of them very foolish, and hard to substantiate.
 
The times are changing. I suspect some people are afraid to take that seriously. I admit it's tempting not to with the Twit in Chief. But ask anyone who lived a normal life before a war, before neighbour turned on neighbour. Hate speech is not bemusing. Looking at what's going on makes me less afraid, more mentally prepared for the worst, but hoping for the best. But people need to be in "essential agreement" to resist hate.

Even Stephen Colbert, King of left wing subversive comedy trolling - says that comedy, mocking, will not solve anything. Only democratic institutions and the political process will. Universities are part of that.

It's funny how Graeme talks about the sky about to fall any day now - but when I observe some repeating patterns of history and human behaviour I get called paranoid. I hope I am overreacting but I'm not going to stick my head in the sand.
 
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But Kimmio, the times have been changing since, approximately, forever. The speed of change seems to be increasing, for sure.

And the temptation to cry "the emperor has no clothes on" has never been greater. But, who/what waits in the wings?
 
BetteTheRed said:
But Kimmio, the times have been changing since, approximately, forever. The speed of change seems to be increasing, for sure.

And the temptation to cry "the emperor has no clothes on" has never been greater. But, who/what waits in the wings?
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I don't know. I don't know if Trump out would make things better or worse. I think a big challenge will still be his base, and Steve Bannon and his ilk manipulating "red pilling" people to the far right media fringes and places that encourage hate to flourish. I think at least there need to be some places where it cannot - like universities. I think they should challenge the courts to make universities out of bounds for white supremacy and misogyny. Because universities are thought and cultural change incubators and equality has made gains because they are liberal leaning, not despite it. It may need to be open to more centre conservative views (that no one is talking about because the right has shifted) but white nationalism and extreme misogyny on the alt-right, is going too far to be respected as a valid view.
 
BetteTheRed said:
She was the second wave feminist who equated heterosexual sex with rape. She was a cool lady, but was known for her "pushing the envelope" type statements.
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I know of her. I just refreshed my memory with reading an article about her. I have been introduced to some of her concepts without automatically recognizing (or remembering) them as hers. She was misrepresented as equating heterosexual sex with rape - her ideas were more complex than that and misrepresented - which is probably another thread discussion which I am not starting.

Reading her quotes however - many of them make sense and are less inflammatory than they are thought provoking. Some, I found offensive. The thing is - everything she said, she said with the intention of moving the pendulum toward equality not away from it - and forward not backward. At the far end of the alt right pendulum lies many of the horrors and inequalities and human oppression we've already overcome, and points to many places where people are still struggling to overcome, and it glorifies the oppression. At the extreme far left is rudderless anarchy (which I do not think Dworkin represented - she may even have been a centre left "radical" - she found some common ground with conservatives with her anti-pornography views, but for different reasons) which is just as prone to violent authoritarianism stepping in. Equality is not an extreme concept, however.
 
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paradox3 said:
Been there. Done that.

Not on this particular thread but I know the feeling.
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Tis that second wave of de mudder ... demiurge? When de fodder moved on the ole sop? Sod in place of sop where sop was a bread meant for soaking up the nutrition inde primal soup ... Cos Mos affiliation? Thus the dark overshadowing from up de hill!
 
Look at the greater image ... and thus the sol expand 'th out of here ...

I know it is crazy ... but one has to appear norm so as to blend into impossible situations!

Understanding depends on the time, place and the situation the object is subjected to ... look at it from the opposing's IDe ... then do we grasp the concept of IDe-ah?
 
The genius of any slave system is found in the dynamics which isolate slaves from each other, obscure the reality of a common condition, and make united rebellion against the oppressor inconceivable. ~ Andrea Dworkin (she's explaining "divide and conquer" more thoroughly.)
 
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