TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?
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Northwind
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Anyone can apply to get a pardon after a prescribed number of years. There's a fee but it can be done.
Some criminal charges would rightly prevent me from doing the work I do. Some would have little impact. I suspect is the case for many jobs. I don't think a record impacts employment as much as some would think.
GeoFee
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Hi,
Hoping the good folk comprising the majority will no longer stand silent before the manipulations of the minority. We each have opportunity for the making of difference. Were we to abstain from the consumption of all but necessary commodity for some period of time, we would be noticed. Sad to know that the majority is well conditioned to the diversions and distractions by which critical capacity is eclipsed. Resources of energy, time and talent given freely in service to the economies of conspicuous consumption. As if this pattern has in any way brought positive value to the human race.
I am one person in the world. Experience has taught me much about the ways and means of power. You get an interesting perspective on democracy standing naked, with your butt cheeks spread as two men with guns enact a ritualized sodomy.
I have the resources of creativity and courage required to be arrested. Knowing what I know about the way in which the State acts in the face of resistance I could take steps to be arrested in short order. I would be well prepared for the giving of testimony before a Canadian court. My exemplars in this regard are Jesus and Socrates. My understanding is informed by a great variety of existential thinkers. Persons asking questions about the meaning and purpose of human being in creation. I am thinking of influences such as Heidegger and Foucault. And in a more theological stream, I am deeply in the debt of Martin Buber and Soren Kierkegaard. To say nothing of novelists such as Dostoyevsky, Tolstoy, Hesse and Melville.
I am one of millions of ordinary folk who take time to think about what is taking place. My difference is in my relationship with the principalities and powers of the age. I am well aware of who and what they are. History teaches this lesson quite clearly. These are the folk who killed Jesus and all those who testify to truth in the face of power. My longing is for the rising of persons from all places in our social economy. It is wholly possible as it was wholly possible in the days of Hitler. History suggests it is not probable.
Were it to occur. Were the people of all lands to stand forward in solidarity. A withdrawal from the economies of possessive individualism. A dedicated and disciplined exploration of the communitarian ethos animating all historic indigenous peoples. A way forward along the path of hope in a despairing land.
My question has little to do with what is going on. It is increasingly focused on what I am do to in the face of what is going on. I trust that this question is now rising in the consciousness of persons in all places.
George
Hoping the good folk comprising the majority will no longer stand silent before the manipulations of the minority. We each have opportunity for the making of difference. Were we to abstain from the consumption of all but necessary commodity for some period of time, we would be noticed. Sad to know that the majority is well conditioned to the diversions and distractions by which critical capacity is eclipsed. Resources of energy, time and talent given freely in service to the economies of conspicuous consumption. As if this pattern has in any way brought positive value to the human race.
I am one person in the world. Experience has taught me much about the ways and means of power. You get an interesting perspective on democracy standing naked, with your butt cheeks spread as two men with guns enact a ritualized sodomy.
I have the resources of creativity and courage required to be arrested. Knowing what I know about the way in which the State acts in the face of resistance I could take steps to be arrested in short order. I would be well prepared for the giving of testimony before a Canadian court. My exemplars in this regard are Jesus and Socrates. My understanding is informed by a great variety of existential thinkers. Persons asking questions about the meaning and purpose of human being in creation. I am thinking of influences such as Heidegger and Foucault. And in a more theological stream, I am deeply in the debt of Martin Buber and Soren Kierkegaard. To say nothing of novelists such as Dostoyevsky, Tolstoy, Hesse and Melville.
I am one of millions of ordinary folk who take time to think about what is taking place. My difference is in my relationship with the principalities and powers of the age. I am well aware of who and what they are. History teaches this lesson quite clearly. These are the folk who killed Jesus and all those who testify to truth in the face of power. My longing is for the rising of persons from all places in our social economy. It is wholly possible as it was wholly possible in the days of Hitler. History suggests it is not probable.
Were it to occur. Were the people of all lands to stand forward in solidarity. A withdrawal from the economies of possessive individualism. A dedicated and disciplined exploration of the communitarian ethos animating all historic indigenous peoples. A way forward along the path of hope in a despairing land.
My question has little to do with what is going on. It is increasingly focused on what I am do to in the face of what is going on. I trust that this question is now rising in the consciousness of persons in all places.
George
Yes, that's true Northwind. However, the person I was replying to specifically mentioned a young adult.
Northwind said:
I feel it's possible for a person to find some kind of employment even while having a record. It probably won't be as good a kind of employment as they might find otherwise.
Yes, apparently, around $600.
Kimmio said:
It should cost something, don't you feel? Maybe there's a charity that helps with such things (I don't know).
Northwind
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Alright then. A young adult can apply too. There is a 5-7 year wait depending on the crime.
I've known several people who have applied for a pardon. Generally people are willing to pay the fine. They recognize that it is part of the process. Usually if they are applying for a pardon they've changed their lives around and see this as the final step in a new life.
I don't know. John Howard Society maybe. I had a client in employment services in that predicament. He was a nice young man who made the unwise decision sometime in his late teens/ early 20s of watering pot plants for his drug dealer neighbour and getting paid under the table. I wasn't his primary counsellor (I worked on resume prep and teaching job search skills, and things counsellors asked me to do for them) but I do remember there were a lot of hoops he had to go through - that and he was covered in tattoos and had no other work experience except as a "carnie" (that's when he started getting the tattoos). I think he had dyslexia or mild learning disabilities - but he was a sincerely nice guy. I hope things got better for him.
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Northwind
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Here is information on pardons.......though I'm not sure what it has to do with the topic of this thread.
FAQs | Pardons Canada
FAQs | Pardons Canada
It's because of Sheriff Joe. Sheriff Joe helped derail this thread. And Northwind posted articles about his pardon.
Northwind
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Since she can't see me...I think Northwind is being a snowflake. She's loaded with confirmation bias and using that to block out opinions she doesn't like and support the ones she does (am I wrong?). She's bubble wrapping herself from adversity (am I wrong?) - she's hallucinating in her own mass hysteria bubble.
These posts are directly insulting another member and are taking the thread off topic. I have chosen to ignore this member because I do not wish to continue detailing this thread. If I see my name used in this manner again I will be reporting the post and will be asking that a warning be given. I will not be responding to this further other than to report of necessary.
FYI: @revsdd @Redbaron @ChemGal @You just never know (I apologize for dragging you guys into this. I wanted to to know what I was doing)
Thank you.
It's all true, though. And it's nothing less than I have been subjected to.
Northwind
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I've reported this as promised.
You don't like a taste of your own medicine is all. Fine. Report it.
Northwind
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Reported
I never called you stupid. The only name I called you was 'snowflake'. About an hour ago, I did - ironically. People have made plenty of ad hominem attacks on me, including you - but you call them "disagreements".
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Reported. No-one has called you stupid. Stop responding to me. I will only report and will not be responding further.
I'm not allowed to report Northwind's comments now.
Graeme Decarie
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To return to Trump.
He is not the problem.
His threats to North Korea are not new or a change in any way. For over fifty years, the U.S. has maintained a huge army in South Korea. It routinely holds war exercises on the northern border. That's called being provocative. So is applying sanctions to North Korea. So is patrolling seas just off the coast. So is occasionally flying bombers directly over North Korea. And this has been the policy of every president since the Korean war.
The reason as for the first Korean war. North Korea is the ideal base for the invasion of China. To get that, the U.S. killed at last 30% of the population of North Korea. That's the highest ratio of deaths related to total population I know of in the world history of wars. (Canada lost about 1.5% of its population in WW2.)
And we know now it could have been 100% loss for North Korea if Truman had followed up on his plan to nuke the north.
Whatever one thinks of its leaders, North Korea has done an amazing job of recovering. (In education, it now has a literacy rate far, far ahead of Canada and the U.S.)
Korea built a bomb not because it wanted to bomb the U.S. That would be absurd. they know they would be obliterated in the counter-attack. Korea wanted that bomb as a deterrent - not as a threat. All the threatening has come from the U.S.
The villain here is U.S. big business. It has wanted China, dreadfully, for all of the 20th century. Now, it's running out of time. It has to act soon. And U.S. big business owns the U.S. government. It is far the most evil force running loose in the world. It has invaded over 70 countries since 1945. Trump is simply following a well-worn path.
As well, it now seems likely that the congressmen owned by the very wealthy in the U.S. and the leading generals are now the ones calling the shots.
If it were just a crazy Trump doing all this, somebody could fix it by shooting him. But it's not Trump. It's the greed and savagery of a moneyed class who were happy to murder 30% of the population of North Korea - and would happily risk the survival of the whole planet,
It is not worth arguing about Trump. It just takes attention away from the evil generated by greed.
He is not the problem.
His threats to North Korea are not new or a change in any way. For over fifty years, the U.S. has maintained a huge army in South Korea. It routinely holds war exercises on the northern border. That's called being provocative. So is applying sanctions to North Korea. So is patrolling seas just off the coast. So is occasionally flying bombers directly over North Korea. And this has been the policy of every president since the Korean war.
The reason as for the first Korean war. North Korea is the ideal base for the invasion of China. To get that, the U.S. killed at last 30% of the population of North Korea. That's the highest ratio of deaths related to total population I know of in the world history of wars. (Canada lost about 1.5% of its population in WW2.)
And we know now it could have been 100% loss for North Korea if Truman had followed up on his plan to nuke the north.
Whatever one thinks of its leaders, North Korea has done an amazing job of recovering. (In education, it now has a literacy rate far, far ahead of Canada and the U.S.)
Korea built a bomb not because it wanted to bomb the U.S. That would be absurd. they know they would be obliterated in the counter-attack. Korea wanted that bomb as a deterrent - not as a threat. All the threatening has come from the U.S.
The villain here is U.S. big business. It has wanted China, dreadfully, for all of the 20th century. Now, it's running out of time. It has to act soon. And U.S. big business owns the U.S. government. It is far the most evil force running loose in the world. It has invaded over 70 countries since 1945. Trump is simply following a well-worn path.
As well, it now seems likely that the congressmen owned by the very wealthy in the U.S. and the leading generals are now the ones calling the shots.
If it were just a crazy Trump doing all this, somebody could fix it by shooting him. But it's not Trump. It's the greed and savagery of a moneyed class who were happy to murder 30% of the population of North Korea - and would happily risk the survival of the whole planet,
It is not worth arguing about Trump. It just takes attention away from the evil generated by greed.
revsdd
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@Kimmio @Northwind -
Both of you - seriously - take a deep breath and count to ten. Or something. Or both of you just leave the thread for a while and cool down. This is really getting badly out of hand.
Both of you - seriously - take a deep breath and count to ten. Or something. Or both of you just leave the thread for a while and cool down. This is really getting badly out of hand.