Are white people enslaved and oppressed and put into ghettos in Somalia (or is everyone in Somalia just generally living under corrupt and violent rule)? Have black Africans trans continentally taken over and dominated culture and education and business, etc. and oppressed non-whites the way European colonials did? I don't think so. And I don't think they're trying to.
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Northwind
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Now you know Africa better than someone from Africa. That's impressive. He has done a lot of study on the issues and will soon have a social work degree. You know better though. Right. Oppression comes in many forms. Yes, it is not just done by white people. Do some homework on Rwanda, Ethiopia and Somalia to start.
Oppressed white people I meant - I don't think so.
I'm talking about the kind of Colonialism that drove white Europeans to take over the world and oppress people of other races for centuries. Is that happening in reverse? No!
Instead of reading what I said you had to come back with a smug response about my expertise or lack there of to just belittle me before even thinking about it. Inanna's no professor either, btw. Just someone observing culture and giving it some thought - but there's, again, no moral equivalency with "Colonialism". I thought "well no, black African Colonials are not taking over the world, are they? So, not the same." What's your problem?
You said Colonialism was happening in Africa. Corruption, oppression, bloodshed in those African countries, yes. But Colonialism refers to the oppression and occupation caused to people of other ethnicities and countries, imposing the supposed "supremacy" of white European culture, over a period of centuries.
Why can't we converse instead of you belittling me? I am not a stupid person.
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"Interesting that you should post those@Inannawhimsey I have a student with me who is Somali. He commented on the white supremacy today and said it isn't just whites who are supremacists. He cited examples in Africa and other places. Colonialism isn't just white."
Okay this is what I said. Remove the line about colonialism if you prefer. The point is supremacy is not just white.
Okay this is what I said. Remove the line about colonialism if you prefer. The point is supremacy is not just white.
No. It's not just whites who are supremacists.
If you are talking 'racial' supremacy, I think white supremacy is the most dangerous and entrenched supremacy card on the world's table.
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Again for some context
Famous African-American Thomas Sowell
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I heartily recommend "Intellectuals and Race" and "Black Rednecks and White Liberals"
One of his observations is that globally slavery is a universal norm
The difference with America is that it was a racial thing...and that America and the West were the first to actually abolish slavery and it spread out from there...
Have fun with the research. Like wars help us discover countries, these riots can kick us in the pants to try to learn history outside of the story one is comfortable with...
LA DI DAH!!!
Famous African-American Thomas Sowell
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I heartily recommend "Intellectuals and Race" and "Black Rednecks and White Liberals"
One of his observations is that globally slavery is a universal norm
The difference with America is that it was a racial thing...and that America and the West were the first to actually abolish slavery and it spread out from there...
Have fun with the research. Like wars help us discover countries, these riots can kick us in the pants to try to learn history outside of the story one is comfortable with...
LA DI DAH!!!
Delightful Life
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All sorts of inneresting tings out there
I'm glad that the US still believes in freedom of speech
Despite us mere mortals attempts at turning our various being offendeds into law...
Another aspect of this whole Charlottezville kerfuffle is all of us around the world of different BS and cultures are being exposed to this event very quickly...with discernments and judgements...
The more the better...that type of diversity is cool...
It can be easy to think of ourselves as uniquely bad or evil or wrong...but experience enough of the world like your Somali student lucky u btw...and thst can change onez horizons...
LA DI DAH!!
I might read those, they look interesting.
Slavery does exist in other countries, unfortunately. I know that. India still has a caste system.
But what the European Colonials did, in addition to occupying peoples' lands and making them slaves in their own lands - was remove them from their homelands and ship them to North America to do the work of building the societies on their behalf. Truly evil stuff.
Slavery does exist in other countries, unfortunately. I know that. India still has a caste system.
But what the European Colonials did, in addition to occupying peoples' lands and making them slaves in their own lands - was remove them from their homelands and ship them to North America to do the work of building the societies on their behalf. Truly evil stuff.
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There was even a novel presentation in a movie bote it ... so there lies the midnight of the soul ... buried within a tome ...
And illiteracy is preferred by hosts not wishing to know ... something to pass through or get over as sans?
Should we know better ... anon; it'll come even tu Ally ...
There was even a novel presentation in a movie bote it ... so there lies the midnight of the soul ... buried within a tome ...
And illiteracy is preferred by hosts not wishing to know ... something to pass through or get over as sans?
Should we know better ... anon; it'll come even tu Ally ...
Graeme Decarie
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I should like to know more about the role of the churches in all this. The riot was in bible belt territory. That, I suspect, is why Bush is shying away from criticizing the racists. They are an important base of Trump support.
Graeme Decarie
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@Kimmio - India has a caste system?
Don't we? Don't we have a privileged class who effectively control our governments? Don't we have a class system which has much to do in giving a great deal of power and privilege to the children of wealthy families? Look at the world's billionaires. Notice how most of the top dogs have been extremely wealthy for generations. They are equivalent to the old aristocracy. Don't we have a privileged class that doesn't have to pay taxes?
Canada has irvings and molsons to name just a couple of families who are aristocrats by birth.
Britain has certainly been an extreme example of a caste system. It's a theme that runs through British history. At the peak is a royal family with costs billions - and it has nothing to do with any great accomplishments. Indeed, some of the royals have been (and some still are) people of no social value whatever. But Prince Charles still is given over a hundred personal servants. In fact, with the exceptions of Elizabeth and her father, most of them have been royal twits for centuries.
Don't we? Don't we have a privileged class who effectively control our governments? Don't we have a class system which has much to do in giving a great deal of power and privilege to the children of wealthy families? Look at the world's billionaires. Notice how most of the top dogs have been extremely wealthy for generations. They are equivalent to the old aristocracy. Don't we have a privileged class that doesn't have to pay taxes?
Canada has irvings and molsons to name just a couple of families who are aristocrats by birth.
Britain has certainly been an extreme example of a caste system. It's a theme that runs through British history. At the peak is a royal family with costs billions - and it has nothing to do with any great accomplishments. Indeed, some of the royals have been (and some still are) people of no social value whatever. But Prince Charles still is given over a hundred personal servants. In fact, with the exceptions of Elizabeth and her father, most of them have been royal twits for centuries.
revsdd
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In fact there has been black African colonialism - although it was practiced mostly in pre-European colonial times, as various African empires fought against (and often enslaved) one another - intra-African slavery being largely based on tribalism and tribal conflict. Europeans didn't invent black African slavery, although Europeans did take it to a horrific new level that anyone whose ancestry is from the slave-trading part of the world (certainly including mine) should be ashamed of. Africans in general didn't "colonize" or "oppress" Europeans simply because of a power imbalance that was present when the two cultures collided. Had power been out of balance in the opposite direction, it's likely that there would have been African colonization of Europe, and who knows, maybe even white slavery, with Europeans being kidnapped and taken to Africa. Some alternative history possibilities there.
Graeme Decarie
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You're right. The problem is us. All of us.
And the solution is within all of us too, miracles require participation.
But that didn't happen. It could have, it might not have. But it didn't. You can't conclude moral equivalency with something that didn't happen. That's like making up alternative facts to support an argument.