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Kimmio said:
But showing up to beat those you oppose with clubs is not the normal position for most people to take - so calling those ones "alt-left" de-normalizes that behaviour - which is growing and hopefully can be stopped, denounced, instead of growing more.

Whoever's anti-racist and showing up with clubs to beat on people, even people who are racists - deserves the "alt" title, imo.
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Would you take up arms to protect your family?
 
Neo said:
Would you take up arms to protect your family?
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No. I wouldn't be capable of that. And there was no need for them to go there, armed. They use violence as an offensive tactic to fight oppression I.e. Planning to go and kick white supremacist butt. I don't think that's the right thing to do.
 
Kimmio said:
No. I wouldn't be capable of that. And there was no need for them to go there, armed. They use violence as an offensive tactic to fight oppression I.e. Planning to go and kick white supremacist butt. I don't think that's the right thing to do.
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Right
What Neo is suggesting, taking up arms 2 protect yer family by going intentionally outside and "defensively attacking" the threat is exactly the same thinking that the neocons (who are just Liberals after some time has passed) justified by occupying Iraq.

Unless I horribly misunderstood the point
 
And I couldn't do that. Nor, would I capable of defensively taking up arms to defend my family. I'd totally freeze anyway. I'm just not made for that. Being verbally defensive - yes, I suppose I can be (and to be verbally defensive with someone who has a weapon pointing at you is prrrrooobably really not a good idea, Trump?) - but not physically.
 
Inannawhimsey said:
More attempts at rationality and alternate viewpoints (real diversity, m'kay)
Scott Adams' Blog
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Scott Adams is full of s**t. He is a master manipulator. Possibly sociopathic.

"The cool thing is that if you 'are' hallucinating, you can't fact check my claim." That. Right there.

And every one of his points is a mind fark...carefully worded gas lighting. "If you think any of these things you're probably in the mass hysteria bubble. But you can't fact check that cuz you're in the mass hysteria bubble. It's not me, it's you. Believe me." Okay, Narcissist Ravine. Get back to your cartoons.
 
Kimmio said:
Scott Adams is full of s**t. He is a master manipulator. Possibly sociopathic.

"The cool thing is that if you 'are' hallucinating, you can't fact check my claim." That. Right there.

And every one of his points is a mind fark...carefully worded gas lighting. "If you think any of these things you're probably in the mass hysteria bubble. But you can't fact check that cuz you're in the mass hysteria bubble. It's not me, it's you. Believe me." Okay, Narcissist Ravine. Get back to your cartoons.
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*giggle* the fact that you didnt deal with any of his points but went into ad homeniumblumplum and extreme exaggeration even diagnosing him lol are total tells r cognitive dissonance...

Lol
 
Inannawhimsey said:
More attempts at rationality and alternate viewpoints (real diversity, m'kay)
Scott Adams' Blog
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He has some interesting thoughts. I agree that this president was not elected for moral leadership. There is also a lot of confirmation bias happening on both sides of the fence.

It certainly would be nice if there was more critical thinking and less polarized thinking.
 
Inannawhimsey said:
*giggle* the fact that you didnt deal with any of his points but went into ad homeniumblumplum and extreme exaggeration even diagnosing him lol are total tells r cognitive dissonance...

Lol
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And you were ridiculed for even posting such a piece. :ROFLMAO:
 
People are freakin' out these days. There are many alive today who remember and experienced the rise of Nazi Germany. "Never again", they vowed. But there is no moral equivalency in what happened last weekend. People are afraid and feel a need to fight for what they see as a direct attack to both their security and in many cases their very lives. Fighting may not the best of actions but there is no moral equivalency in what they did, they fought for their children and their children's children. Regarding Trumps suggestion of "moral equivalence on both sides", Mitt Romney tweeted on Tuesday : “No, not the same. One side is racist, bigoted, Nazi. The other opposes racism and bigotry. Morally different universes.”
- Trump isolation growing as business panels dismantled

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I kind of like the idea of bringing down the old statues, but only if that what is it really takes to provide us with a true moral compass. The argument that history is being torn down and forgotten is preposterous, we don't see statues of Hitler in Germany but that history will be always remembered. It's the idolization of history that needs to be torn down. We are moving towards unity not away from it. Idolizing a time when masters owned slaves produces great separation in our human relations. If a house (of human beings) is divided against itself, it will fail. So even it's only symbolic, pull down the old and outdated thought forms.
 
Neo said:
We are moving towards unity not away from it. Idolizing a time when masters owned slaves produces great separation in our human relations. If a house (of human beings) is divided against itself, it will fail. So even it's only symbolic, pull down the old and outdated thought forms.
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Thanks for this message of hope. I've been thinking that a lot of this conflict is part of a transitional time. It is good that people are reacting to the people who seem to want a white US. It means the status quo is no longer acceptable. Change is hard. Crisis gives us both danger and opportunity. I'd like to think there's opportunity in all this.
 
Inannawhimsey said:
*giggle* the fact that you didnt deal with any of his points but went into ad homeniumblumplum and extreme exaggeration even diagnosing him lol are total tells r cognitive dissonance...

Lol
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No it's not. It's because Scott Adams is a narcissistic doofus wolf in sheep's clothing. When you've met a few, you know how they operate. Trying to tell his fans how to think - thanks Dr. Dilbert - and if they don't have the same thought processes he does there's something wrong with them and he will tell you what that is if you pay very close attention, and then he will tell you how to correct your thinking. It's brainwashing and gas lighting. And he has self-identified as a master manipulator - sociopath/ narcissist, peas in the same pod. Figured that out awhile ago - he's not my nerdy guru. No "hail Dilbert" here. I think he's a mind manipulating jerk. Does he have a psych degree or just a masters in manipulation?
 
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He calls himself a "Master Persuader" instead. And he is a trained hypnotist. He is not a psychologist.
Good thing I read that blog quickly while the concert was going on - didn't let him hypnotize me - there is no interfering in the awesomeness of rock n' roll. God bless it. I'd much rather be "hypnotized" by good music.
 
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Neo said:
People are freakin' out these days. There are many alive today who remember and experienced the rise of Nazi Germany. "Never again", they vowed. But there is no moral equivalency in what happened last weekend. People are afraid and feel a need to fight for what they see as a direct attack to both their security and in many cases their very lives. Fighting may not the best of actions but there is no moral equivalency in what they did, they fought for their children and their children's children. Regarding Trumps suggestion of "moral equivalence on both sides", Mitt Romney tweeted on Tuesday : “No, not the same. One side is racist, bigoted, Nazi. The other opposes racism and bigotry. Morally different universes.”
- Trump isolation growing as business panels dismantled

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I kind of like the idea of bringing down the old statues, but only if that what it really takes to provide us with a true moral compass. The argument that history is being torn down and forgotten is preposterous, we don't see statues of Hitler in Germany but that history will be always remembered. It's the idolization of history that needs to be torn down. We are moving towards unity not away from it. Idolizing a time when masters owned slaves produces great separation in our human relations. If a house (of human beings) is divided against itself, it will fail. So even it's only symbolic, pull down the old and outdated thought forms.
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I agree that white supremacy is infinitely worse. But those fighting back with violence will do no good. Violence, no matter how much inequality is seen as the justification for it, will stifle dissent. It might lead to civil wars and/ or marshal law. It often does when protests turn into riots - no matter whether one side has a more valid cause or not.
 
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Interesting that you should post those @Inannawhimsey I have a student with me who is Somali. He commented on the white supremacy today and said it isn't just whites who are supremacists. He cited examples in Africa and other places. Colonialism isn't just white.

I'll look at those clips tomorrow if I get a chance.
 
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