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The extreme right are responsible for several times more murders and injuries than the extreme left, though. So, no, the grievances are not equal at all. But the far left employing violence only contributes to the shutting down of peaceful protest. It emboldens the white supremacist bigots who think they are the victims, and they're more likely to think their cause is then valid - and it doesn't help "the left".

Trump Asks, ‘What About the Alt-Left?’ Here’s an Answer
 
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I don't think T will last a full term now.

Those MSM who advocated T in the cynical way that voting 4 him would cause a collapse in the GOP are hopefully looking at their actions seriously.
Those Conservatives who voted for him in a lets salvage what we can I bet r also going wtf at him...and looking around for someone better and working at how to deal with this unamerican Fool

The MSM and the Left should stop trying to attach the Scarlett Letter automatically to Conservatives and the Right (yknow, by calling them Nazis, Fascists and Altright when they arent in Truth that way--like Classic Liberal Rubin of the Rubinreport being called such...it happens way too much)

A serious number of people need to get themselves in order first imho

People then need to denounce Hate. On any side. Not censor it. But provide a better BS. Show how people can get along etc.

Criminy!
 
Inannawhimsey said:
I don't think T will last a full term now.

Those MSM who advocated T in the cynical way that voting 4 him would cause a collapse in the GOP are hopefully looking at their actions seriously.
Those Conservatives who voted for him in a lets salvage what we can I bet r also going wtf at him...and looking around for someone better and working at how to deal with this unamerican Fool

The MSM and the Left should stop trying to attach the Scarlett Letter automatically to Conservatives and the Right (yknow, by calling them Nazis, Fascists and Altright when they arent in Truth that way--like Classic Liberal Rubin of the Rubinreport being called such...it happens way too much)

A serious number of people need to get themselves in order first imho

People then need to denounce Hate. On any side. Not censor it. But provide a better BS. Show how people can get along etc.

Criminy!
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I do think there are a few white supremacists who are in the Trump administration - regardless of their recent comments. And Trump's and David Duke's mutual support - and the white supremacists in his base of supporters (and the sexists and paleo-conservatives, are also part of the 'alt-right' toxic soup) - is a big wtf.
 
I never heard the term "alt left" until this week. From what I can see, it seems to have been coined by 45. It seems to refer to people who speak out against the white supremacy stuff and all that entails. I particularly like this article What's the 'Alt-Left'? For Starters, Not a Thing

Ultimately, the intent seems to be to frame alt-left as the opposite of alt-right and create a false equivalence between groups on the far ends of the right and left. But here's the thing: No left-wing group has ever called itself the alt-left. And the groups smeared by the alt-left label don't include anything like the heinousness of overt white supremacism that has increasingly defined the alt-right.

It's a blanket term some right-wing media commentators and white nationalists have taken to throwing over groups they disagree with, like the umbrella of "fake news" they use to describe stories they disagree with. Doing so manages to both minimize the ugliness of the alt-right and vastly overstate the actions and intentions of leftist groups.
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Certainly things are way too polarized lately, especially in the US. That being said, we need to speak out against the white supremacy and militia movement. Have we not learned from history?
 
Northwind said:
I never heard the term "alt left" until this week. From what I can see, it seems to have been coined by 45. It seems to refer to people who speak out against the white supremacy stuff and all that entails. I particularly like this article What's the 'Alt-Left'? For Starters, Not a Thing



Certainly things are way too polarized lately, especially in the US. That being said, we need to speak out against the white supremacy and militia movement. Have we not learned from history?
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No. It's the same as the far/ extreme left. Those who use violence to combat oppression. It's not simply all people who speak up against white supremacy and what it entails.

What I find frustrating is that - no, the grievances on each "side" are not equally weighted or equally valid. I think white supremacy and neo nazi groups are responsible for infinately more hate and violence and oppression, and have been for a long time - but it is frustrating that the violence of the far/ extreme left tactics of a growing number of groups of people are being glossed over - and instead of saying "Yes, maybe they do contribute a portion to a violent atmosphere and that doesn't do the right to peaceful protest any favours" ... People are stuck on the word "alt-left" and denying it exists and missing, or misconstruing, the point. Because the more they show up to Trump rallies or even try to physically fight neo nazis the more they help set up a situation whereby it's not safe for peaceful protestors and/ or marshal law will be brought in and/ or a civil war or a series of small ones, could break out. There is a danger of that has not been seen for a long time. Non-violent resistor's voices will then be drowned out in the milieu.
 
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Kimmio said:
Antifa is being considered "alt-left" and it has roots that go back decades fighting nazis and neo-nazis at street level - but they use violence as one of their tools and I disagree with that.
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I've been reading up on "Antifa" and suggesting it is alt left and violent seems to mischaracterize this group. Violence seems to be low on their list of tools from what I can see.

This article seems good. Analysis | Who are the antifa?

"There are antifa groups around the world, but antifa is not itself an interconnected organization, any more than an ideology like socialism or a tactic like the picket line is a specific group."

"The vast majority of anti-fascist organizing is nonviolent. But their willingness to physically defend themselves and others from white supremacist violence and preemptively shut down fascist organizing efforts before they turn deadly distinguishes them from liberal anti-racists."

Someone else in this thread suggested that Antifa and related groups want to start a war. That seems to be nonsense.

I fail to see why fighting fascism/neo-nazism/racism, etc is a problem.
 
Kimmio said:
No. It's the same as the far/ extreme left. Those who use violence to combat oppression. It's not simply all people who speak up against white supremacy and what it entails.
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I am pulling the quote out of my post because you seem to have missed it.

"It's a blanket term some right-wing media commentators and white nationalists have taken to throwing over groups they disagree with, like the umbrella of "fake news" they use to describe stories they disagree with. Doing so manages to both minimize the ugliness of the alt-right and vastly overstate the actions and intentions of leftist groups."
 
Northwind said:
I am pulling the quote out of my post because you seem to have missed it.

"It's a blanket term some right-wing media commentators and white nationalists have taken to throwing over groups they disagree with, like the umbrella of "fake news" they use to describe stories they disagree with. Doing so manages to both minimize the ugliness of the alt-right and vastly overstate the actions and intentions of leftist groups."
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I saw it and I disagree. That's not it. That's a disingenuous explanation. Read the articles I posted last night.
 
Northwind said:
I've been reading up on "Antifa" and suggesting it is alt left and violent seems to mischaracterize this group. Violence seems to be low on their list of tools from what I can see.

This article seems good. Analysis | Who are the antifa?

"There are antifa groups around the world, but antifa is not itself an interconnected organization, any more than an ideology like socialism or a tactic like the picket line is a specific group."

"The vast majority of anti-fascist organizing is nonviolent. But their willingness to physically defend themselves and others from white supremacist violence and preemptively shut down fascist organizing efforts before they turn deadly distinguishes them from liberal anti-racists."

Someone else in this thread suggested that Antifa and related groups want to start a war. That seems to be nonsense.

I fail to see why fighting fascism/neo-nazism/racism, etc is a problem.
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Here is someone fighting the Fascist Antifa and it looks like he was there at Charletteztown...with a shield?
I guess he's a white supremicist Nazi? Lol

Anyhew good on you for lookin 4 yourself. Seriously.

There are LOTS of videos showing Antifa members being violent and even disgusting; have fun internet watchin. Its not just Charlottesville. Even nonfascists have been labelled as fascists.

Right now you're still at the stage of "when my side does horrible things, its ok".

A lot of this stuff is probably new to you. You will probably be feeling a whole lot of horrible feelings anger hopelessness frustration. Accept those.

World history is rife with violent Leftists.

 
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Pontifex Geronimo 13 said:
brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, 2 for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.
4 But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief.

12 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.2 She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.

30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[d] 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

If you knew you had max 7.? years before the end of the world, would you do things differently?
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Btw I notice a change in writing style with that post...who wrote that?

(don worry yourself none; a whole posse has already made zure that everyone is Saved. Jesus has our 6. We Terrans r unstoppable)
 
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