TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Who was responsible for the violence in Charlottesville? Here's what witnesses say

After reading this and trying to educate myself about what's going on - I actually don't think Trump was entirely incorrect - actually, what he said is mostly correct, technically....hear me out...Because in the U.S. context of free speech, even neo-nazis are allowed to assemble and spew hateful bile, as long as there's no physical violence - as much as we may find that appalling as Canadians - which I do find appalling. Yet, there was violence from both sides - it looks to me like a bunch of angry idiots being tough guys, slugging it out with each other. With sticks and bats and tear gas. It was really insane.

Then a really disturbed racist idiot drives through the crowd and somebody gets killed and several get injured. The alt-left cannot be blamed for his actions, at all.

But they can be blamed for contributing to the overall violence there.


...the roots of racist violence run deep - propagated by the white nationalists that have re-emerged - and being allowed to promote that hatred is to blame, imo. When the same group who used to burn crosses on peoples' front lawns and burn people's houses down, show up with torches, with one of their well known leaders, at a monument for a racist confederate general - some dressed in battle fatigues acting like well organized militia - that is shocking and upsetting and I do not think they should be legally allowed to do that. But they are. And I think responsibility for what happened in Charlottesville is because they are allowed to do that. It abuses the notion of "free" speech because it's a fearful reminder to those whose freedom was only recently won.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Oops, Inanna posted one of the same links already.

Sorry for all the posts, btw. Was posting as I was learning more about all this.

 

[Jaebius]

Here is a piece that's a few months old, from Mother Jones again (which is a respected progressive left wing magazine) about the existence of the alt-left. They are a thing (and the peaceful and equality minded "left" - those who believe in peace and equality and multiculturalism, if they really want to preserve it - need to be honest about the alt-left and denounce it) ... their violent tactics are not a valid way of fighting back the bigotry that's been on the rise again. This article - appropriately - makes the comparison to the Black Panthers in the 60's. Perhaps today the Black Panthers and groups like them, would be called "alt-left".

A new wave of left-wing militants is ready to rumble in Portland—and beyond

Love it how you try to stake the claim for the left that they exclusively care about such things as peace, equality, and multiculturalusm.

 

[Luce NDs]

I came across this, buried amongst Mother Jone's articles about Charlottesville. This "anti-hero" and his gang could be described as alt-left. And he served time for what he did...and what he did was wrong. Problem is, I don't know if he knows it. Violence as a tactic to bring peace and equality just destroys any cause of peace and equality.

It's like the difference between MLK and Malcolm X's tactics. MLK believed in non-violent resistance. Malcolm X thought violence was justified. Same cause, different "way".

Inside the anti-racist movement that brings the fight to white supremacists

Or one could seize up and just talk non cognizant lie about it ... and the dynamically motivated to do might stop and say ... heis crazy and while seized with this thought ... they may have gained some still Ness and peace of the abstract that's still resembling a talking up ahead ... as the powers beyond say: "Boyd you learn all that while out there in physical reality while in virtue I was stuck here ... observing the go round?"

The BUZZ of words in flight ... enough to Bust the sounds of silence out ... thus the boob 've noe-is (no-eis?) and the unseen chord is plucked ... as thread of thought ... tis nothing till spun!

 

[Luce NDs]

Love it how you try to stake the claim for the left that they exclusively care about such things as peace, equality, and multiculturalusm.

The one is a pain in the ass to the other ... why we hate history and all that occurred in the past and don't learn ... unless the myth is fixed, stopped or somehow instituted as not evolving to satisfy them that don't wish to acknowledge past pains in the bummers ... and thus if you rear is seized in such a trap if may appear to be a N'us created by a Wonder woman .. all out and about while pa sits there ... directing the directed .. and pondering how to escape ... to become leisurely un-seized ... at least mentally as the emotional dynamic is right over Dunne and thus dulled by excessive stoppage ... constipated regarding constitutional matters in mourning ... about demutualization?

Cos 've individualism in the extreme and can't see the objective for the polity of subjective vacation ... that hole in reality ... a virtue within something that's not right there? Thus life is chaos and this is unseen to many searching for peace ... thus the hajji go'est on ...

Obviously confusing to many as impressed by doing it over and over again as alternate is a'bad thing ...

Thus centralization should be a moderate mean ... one ugly wodin womon ... Ka Lie Jah? Was a song on a tree of unknowns ...

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Love it how you try to stake the claim for the left that they exclusively care about such things as peace, equality, and multiculturalusm.

The "left" doesn't exclusively care about those things - but almost exclusively, those who don't care about those things are on the "right". Which side are you more likely to find an aversion to multiculturalism, an aversion to levelling the playing field for minorities, women, LGBT people, low income people, people with disabilities, universal access to healthcare? On which side are you more likely to find war advocates?

 

[Jaebius]

The "left" doesn't exclusively care about those things - but almost exclusively, those who don't care about those things are on the "right".

I feel you mean the alt-right Cousin. There are a great many really caring people here on the right.

 

[Luce NDs]

I feel you mean the alt-right Cousin. There are a great many really caring people here on the right.

Then the alternate to right is left and the opposing holds true as mutualisation of interests by moderation ... but we are taught against that as brute 4's is better ... or as we like it, or a'snot! Tis a tacky cognizance ... when onyx'd to mutuality ... some are definitely against that ... thus assertion go-est on ... in reality ... abstractly, tis not as appears ... if you can imagine differences with understanding ... but emotional is the best rite ... right? Thus the goings and allez ... on the West Side ... a disturbing mythology! Few really noticed Mariah as gone with the winds ... of passion? Twas an after thought with a bite of sensational gnawing in site ...

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

I feel you mean the alt-right Cousin. There are a great many really caring people here on the right.

I was adding to my post above as you responded.

 

[Jaebius]

The "left" doesn't exclusively care about those things - but almost exclusively, those who don't care about those things are on the "right". Which side are you more likely to find an aversion to multiculturalism, an aversion to levelling the playing field for minorities, women, LGBT people, low income people, people with disabilities, universal access to healthcare? On which side are you more likely to find war advocates?

And of course you want the answer to be tbe left. Do you have any actual stats to offer up Cousin.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Just look at campaign platforms. Although the politicians may not be sincere in their promises, their platforms reflect what people will and will not vote for.

 

[Luce NDs]

And of course you want the answer to be tbe left. Do you have any actual stats to offer up Cousin.

As if stats are not corrupted by those wishing a differing out come ... and when it comes out ... it scares eM ... as a straw argument for brickwork and baffling Wahl maqon ... whereas Jericho indicated something else ...

 

[Waterfall]

The alt-left is a made up term used to describe anyone who is against the alt-right. So now if you disagree with hate, racism, etc...you are considered alt-right whether you are violent or not. Why? Probably because the alt-right has a whole list of words that are used to denigrate anyone who is not considered white or who they feel is against them. It is a false dichotomy set up to condemn anyone protesting against white supremicists in order to render anyone who opposes the left as appearing to be doing criminal acts.

The very long history of the KKK, white supremicists, alt-right speaks for itself. They are a confrontational violent group. It would not be beneath them to plant violent participants within peaceful protests against them. The fact that Trump is using the words Alt-left to condemn protesters against the KKK (lets' face it that is what it is), suggests to me that his base is not Republican but rather the Alt-right party. He is using their language and he is creating division among Americans, rather than representing all Americans.

 

[Waterfall]

I am against bigotry, racism, hate, etc....DO NOT LABEL ME alt-left. That is a label given by racists in order to demean any protests for peace and against hate.

 

[Luce NDs]

The alt-left is a made up term used to describe anyone who is against the alt-right. So now if you disagree with hate, racism, etc...you are considered alt-right whether you are violent or not. Why? Probably because the alt-right has a whole list of words that are used to denigrate anyone who is not considered white or who they feel is against them. It is a false dichotomy set up to condemn anyone protesting against white supremicists in order to render anyone who opposes the left as appearing to be doing criminal acts.

The very long history of the KKK, white supremicists, alt-right speaks for itself. They are a confrontational violent group. It would not be beneath them to plant violent participants within peaceful protests against them. The fact that Trump is using the words Alt-left to condemn protesters against the KKK (lets' face it that is what it is), suggests to me that his base is not Republican but the Alt-right party. He is using their language and he is creating division among Americans, rather than representing all Americans.

Would mutual dialects allow some gathering and moderation of extreme means? How dippy ... providing the word dip Lo Ma tics ... bugs in the wholly ... some unconsciously encourage dissonance ... as they do not know what's buried as treasure in the myth ... mythical wisdom? Couldn't be could it for those despising an intelligent neighbour! Perhaps something that could do with a sleep over ... for aspiring dreams of something gained? That's ass thou't ... a behind item ... it follows ... allowing some hope that's something better coming?

What's quantum ... but chance ... wantum some Q'loos ... as aboriginal generation inde Jinns ... and the God's name it ... a larger Job than one could wish for ... considering the mutual gatherings ... calms tobe coming sensation ... with rest including all de mons ... as remnants ... of the great dark pool ... highered waters? Boiled off with excessive esteems?

 

[Luce NDs]

Anybody see today's presentation on TED Talks regarding Bor Edom being a source of idea 'R's?

Gives a Nu stir to Edom state ... a state of mind buried in mythology? Tis a dark pearl ... rarely seen as Amis theist ... friendly and amicable ideals ... until the unguent, or fair rubbings on the cave walls ... civil smears?

There are a host that wouldn't go there ... too alien ... or toal ist NG as a' lien ... can cause lisps ... when lips interfere with guttural stops ... Ayer 'sth eiria concept ... Nu swords ... or Nus words if they may precede ... prescience! Kind 've like a Clair e' Volant's ... or clearly jump eds hip ... and thus the crippled wrestling ... pegging order?

One needs to examine pho Nettics ... a Greek attic shun ... higher domain ...

 

[Jaebius]

Just look at campaign platforms. Although the politicians may not be sincere in their promises, their platforms reflect what people will and will not vote for.

If we want to talk campaigns, let's recall that while Trump stated that he was in support of LGBTQ rights, people on the left were throwing gays off rooftops in other countries - and Clinton said nothing.

 

[Waterfall]

If we want to talk campaigns, let's recall that while Trump stated that he was in support of LGBTQ rights, people on the left were throwing gays off rooftops in other countries - and Clinton said nothing.

Is this how you defend Trump? Searching for the worst examples to compare him with? Is that because he's not defensible through his own merits?

 

[Waterfall]

 

[Luce NDs]

If we want to talk campaigns, let's recall that while Trump stated that he was in support of LGBTQ rights, people on the left were throwing gays off rooftops in other countries - and Clinton said nothing.

Consider the western campaigns on the meddle 'n hosts ... Holy Crusades of powers unleashed ... still doo wings ...