TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?

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Trump is not the worst one out there. Take a look at American history. The U.S. (like Canada) is a nation founded in conquest and theft of the land from the those who were here. That conquest actually increased after 1775, As well, there was the theft of half of Mexico, the invasion of Canada (twice), the conquest of Cuba, of Haiti (plus the imposition of dictators), the taking of Panama, many and various invasions of South America, the takeover of Hawaii (obviously important for the future conquest of Asia), the conquest of The Phillipines (and imposition of a dictator on them. 1945 to today has been a period of almost constant war with some 70 countries having been invaded.
It's war methods have always been particularly brutal, highlighted by the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the current indiscriminate bombing of civilians.
Trump is certainly a nutbar. But compared to most earlier presidents, he's a sweetheart.
Almost any president the U.S. gets will be a bad one because the American people 1.are raised in a delusion of what their country has been all about and 2. there is no democracy in the U.S. Governments are owned by the wealthy.
No. Trump is kid stuff.
 
BetteTheRed said:
I am really, really reacting to the reality of men who can't behave themselves unless supervised. It's like one great big Mommy-fest.
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Rather than thinking that he can't behave himself unless supervised, a more mundane explanation of Pence's policy about not dining alone with women other than his wife might simply be to avoid even the hint of wrongdoing. He's in politics, and that's become a bloodsport in the U.S. and your opponents look for anything to try to make you look bad. Even here in Canada, for simply a local and relatively unknown candidate for Parliament, we know that opposition parties snoop around social media accounts looking for anything they can take (even if out of context) to make a candidate look bad. I don't think it impossible to imagine that without this policy a picture of Pence dining alone with a younger woman could suddenly start to make the rounds on social media with all sorts of insinuations attached. I don't really blame Pence for playing it absolutely safe in the political arena.

I know male United Church ministers who won't meet with female parishioners alone, and I know the reverse - female ministers who won't meet with male parishioners. Again - it's not a matter of trusting themself. It's avoiding anything that could even be construed wrongly (or, in the case of female ministers, it might be a matter of safety.)

I have a female Presbyterian colleague at a church down the street from mine. She's younger than me and to be blunt quite attractive. On occasion we get together for coffee or lunch and talk church because our congregations do a few things together. I always tell my wife if I'm meeting with her or any other female away from the church (which I don't necessarily if I'm meeting a male colleague.) On one occasion after lunch with her at a local chain restaurant (I think it was Applebee's or The Keg) I heard a couple of days later from a parishioner with a sly smile "Saw you having lunch with ----- the other day. Did your wife know?" She was teasing - but it's an example of how someone could see something and totally misconstrue it.
 
I sure hope they're learning such great biblical teachings like 'Love your enemies' and 'Blessed are the poor' and 'Blessed are the peacemakers' and 'In Christ there is no Jew or Greek, male or female, slave or free, but all are one in him.' So far, as an 'administration', they haven't shown much along those lines.
 
Yes Hitler was Christian and prayed regularly. Terrorist of all stripes often have "faith" as their motivation.
 
Redbaron said:
I sure hope they're learning such great biblical teachings like 'Love your enemies' and 'Blessed are the poor' and 'Blessed are the peacemakers' and 'In Christ there is no Jew or Greek, male or female, slave or free, but all are one in him.' So far, as an 'administration', they haven't shown much along those lines.
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I don't see any evidence of Christian values in that crowd. The "bible study" is part of the narrative. Rather like a photo op. All smoke and mirrors
 
Oh please. I'm not aware of any major biographer of Adolf Hitler who believes that he was anything other than hostile to Christian faith. Bullock, Kershaw, Domarus, etc. have all rejected that he was a "Christian" in any meaningful sense. He was raised Roman Catholic but as far as I'm aware did not practice the faith. He understood the political importance of the church (both Protestant and Catholic) but did not embrace the church's major doctrines. Instead, he promoted the Nazi doctrine of "positive Christianity" - which essentially replaced Christian doctrine with Nazi ideology. He often invoked "providence" in his speeches but rarely spoke of God or Jesus.
 
Are Roman Christians labelled catholic and thus all over the place ... universal as Mafioso? These tend to spread too ...
 
There is nothing unusual about murderers and scoundrels who pray. Billy Graham often met for prayer and Bible discussion with various presidents whose careers were spent murdering foreigners for American profits. It is routine for American presidents to call on God. Our whole economic system is based on greed and the desire to accumulate massive wealth. There's nothing Christian about that. The Bible says thou shalt not kill. But we routinely send our soldiers to kill. Okay. One can justify that when one is attacked. But we were not attacked in South Africa, in Afghanistan, in Libya, in Korea, in Syria......
Our local billionaire exploits this province dreadfully. But he maintains a Chapel named after his family - with the best preachers money can buy. and "special music" each Sunday.
The U.S. is deliberately starving millions of civilians (including babies) to death. But Americans still call their a Christian nation.
And whatever one might say of Hitler, he maintained, for the most part, an amiable relationship with German churches.
The Western world, for over 500 years, has been massively torturing, murdering, enslaving, looting people all over the world - and almost always with amiable observance of the faith.
The (fundamentalist) churches will get involved to stop abortions. But if we want to blow up, starve, poison or burn foreign babies to death, then that's okay.
Our society exists to encourage greed. Thus the prayerful politicians who want to cut off health care for the poor, help the rich avoid taxes, keep wages of the population low. Jesus said, "love they neighbour". Our economic system says compete with thy neighbour to get more. And so it is we helped our (Canadian) mining companies and United Fruit to murder 200,000 Maya. And that's nothing compared to well over a century of murder, torture, enslavement in places like Congo (also with the help of Canadian capitalism.)
The record of the churches in converting us to helping our neighbour, ending envy, has not been an impressive one over the last 2,000 years. We are now at an unprecedented level of greed and killing - and the churches, most of them, manage to avoid the subject.
 
Perhaps they should call on the advocate to provide them with information about not going to war because they have the power to do so ...

Should common folk know of such things?
 
revsdd: I can't think of any world leaders who were Christians in any sense of the word. Hitler was a Christian as much as Truman or Mackenzie King or Churchill - or Trump (who prays with his cabinet and with a preacher in attendance.) And George Bush jr., who is a devout Methodist. Churches don't seem to notice that.

The good news is that we don't have to discuss Trump any more. He's finished (though he could arise with an invasion of North Korea.) The vote to save obamacare was cast by people who didn't want to save it. Their only purpose was to humiliate Trump, and to effectively destroy his presidency. After he's gone, they'll kill obamacare. So the good news is that Trump is finished.

The bad news is that those who will succeed him are worse, much worse. The only exception is Bernie Sanders. But I would not rate his chances highly.
 
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