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Jae said:
I am satisfied with what I have shared thus far. What is your answer to the question GeoFee?
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So you do not want to answer the question?

Here is where I would begin my answer. It is a sketch and would require a sizable book to elaborate.

Had Abraham plunged the knife into the breast of Isaac he would have violated the sixth commandment. He would have been a murderer. This even though the commandments had not yet been inscribed as text.

The question of responsibility comes into view. God instructed Abraham to bring his son to the mount of sacrifice. This seems to put the responsibility on God's shoulders. We may wonder if God is capable of murder. Scripture seems to suggest an affirmative answer. For example, King Saul was instructed to murder every single living Amalekite. This instruction came from the author of the sixth commandment, which was at the time well known in Israel.

The interesting part of this murder story is how closely it matches Church and State complicity in the will to extermination of indigenous peoples all over the planet. We were civilized and they were savages. We were rising by the will of God and they were ordained to disappearance by the advance of our progress.

That is one of the problems we must confront when taking the scripture as the authoritative source of our thought and action in the world. How do we understand a God who authorizes the killing of those unlike us? A God who will cast all who do not embrace Christian doctrine and dogma into the destroying fires of hell? The billions of persons bearing the image of God but not conformed to the expectation of a small minority persuaded that they only are the elect of God. Why? Because it says so in their interpretation of the Bible. An interpretation invariably construed as the one and only truth of God.

We could explore this further. What I offer is a point of departure. Are you interested in theological conversation open to differing perspective on our common reality? It is what I like best about life. Engaging difference in the hope of overcoming the principle of division and accusation by which the earth and its peoples are being destroyed. A pattern some say is ordained by the will of God. Going so far as to suggest that the destruction of creature and creation is exactly what God has intended from the start. All so those who wash themselves in blood will be free of responsibility to the encountered other (neighbour?) and the other's difference.

George



 
GeoFee said:
So you do not want to answer the question?
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Jae in an earlier post on this thread said:
I am satisfied with what I have shared thus far. What is your answer to the question GeoFee?
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GeoFee said:
Here is where I would begin my answer. It is a sketch and would require a sizable book to elaborate.

Had Abraham plunged the knife into the breast of Isaac he would have violated the sixth commandment. He would have been a murderer. This even though the commandments had not yet been inscribed as text.

The question of responsibility comes into view. God instructed Abraham to bring his son to the mount of sacrifice. This seems to put the responsibility on God's shoulders. We may wonder if God is capable of murder. Scripture seems to suggest an affirmative answer. For example, King Saul was instructed to murder every single living Amalekite. This instruction came from the author of the sixth commandment, which was at the time well known in Israel.

The interesting part of this murder story is how closely it matches Church and State complicity in the will to extermination of indigenous peoples all over the planet. We were civilized and they were savages. We were rising by the will of God and they were ordained to disappearance by the advance of our progress.

That is one of the problems we must confront when taking the scripture as the authoritative source of our thought and action in the world. How do we understand a God who authorizes the killing of those unlike us? A God who will cast all who do not embrace Christian doctrine and dogma into the destroying fires of hell? The billions of persons bearing the image of God but not conformed to the expectation of a small minority persuaded that they only are the elect of God. Why? Because it says so in their interpretation of the Bible. An interpretation invariably construed as the one and only truth of God.

We could explore this further. What I offer is a point of departure. Are you interested in theological conversation open to differing perspective on our common reality? It is what I like best about life. Engaging difference in the hope of overcoming the principle of division and accusation by which the earth and its peoples are being destroyed. A pattern some say is ordained by the will of God. Going so far as to suggest that the destruction of creature and creation is exactly what God has intended from the start. All so those who wash themselves in blood will be free of responsibility to the encountered other (neighbour?) and the other's difference.

George
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Thank you for your answer George.
 
Jae said:




Thank you for your answer George.
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No problem. Answering questions offers me opportunity for the exercise of memory and language. This does not apply to mathematical questions. Long division was my downfall in junior high.
 
It was a well shaken point as God was found to be changing his point in the killing of I'zaac ... out of this the concept of God as a point with no center ... and no bounds (Bishop of Myra, Saint Niche) a devilish concept to Roman representative of God that placed the control point in the Vaticanus ... and with indulgences you could buy your way out to see from beyond ... that something was out of place if not contrary to right and thus quantum essence of I think I see ... but uncertainty prevails due to Heisenberg ... a bug in the continuum allowing for dippy spots in despotic space that Einstein called dimples ... metamorphic fix as a riffle in de sol?

The Mafioso paid greater indulgences and possibly caused a leaning towards corruption of the final authority ... or second to it as B'ETA ... tis a satyr worth consideration of how de great sol got upended .. reciprocation in a dark space? Thus it may come back to Yah ... but perhaps not ... to be or not toby ... a question yet unanswered ... for it goes on and on to amuse those out-of-here with curios Iddy ... a demiurge or just another weird word form ... like IDe'Di can reform like ABBA after being made a schnitzel?

In old expression ... a well beaten meat ... like Hamburg! There may be remains after fall out ... just thoughts? Still? These are to assist those progressing in the not knowing phase ... the unconscious mine ... tis shady and kohl ...
 
Raises question about the active an passive responsibilities ... and thus a period for stop troth ink ... and the ceremonious portion of service ... Marie de Sea? That's the dunk 'n part ... like Tae an adonus ... adonetz? He run the Navy down ... scuttle de butte ...

Without rational work ... dream of non-sense ... be dippy ... baptised? Can be fire or water ... ancient's aid that water is the support system of the sole ... a fissure in de pool? More metaphorical than mortal sol can absorb ... kind a' like God's mine ... a sight unseen?

Transient transparency ... you can get over and around it ... with outside assistance ... from shadowy Buddha's ... some say ab IDe with it and don't ... thus schism ... gone off in the night! Divisive sects? Something to quibble about until next incident ... a'mour impact?

And the lonely hearts club's mane question for hare: "Why can't we think?" Displacement theory ... (some old Greek)! Linguistic twist ... of eve*nts! If the "t" is silent could be NS ... in essence surround by deep blue ...
 
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Con Text? The story goes on about the noble beast and loss of light ... the dark night of Sol?

Will it pass .. at least just to mark time ...
 
Hi Jae,

The bible offers us light so that we may negotiate the darkness of the world. Another way of understanding this is to remember that those who will not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. A primary story in Israel is the Exodus from out of the Egyptian house of bondage. There we notice the rise of exploitive and oppressive power exercised for the benefit of a few at the expense of the many. This pattern is repeated in the story of Solomon. As he rises in the exercise of power the people of the land are considered to be of no consequence. The history of Egypt being repeated.

Then there is the rise of the Jerusalem under the jurisdiction of Herod. With the tacit consent of those entrusted with the revelation of God in history Herod makes Jerusalem great again. Great for who? A small minority of religious and political personalities who benefit at the expense of the great majority who are exploited and oppressed. It is into this relationship of power and people that Jesus pronounces the word of God. That word is an indictment of the religious and political powers by which the people of the land are kept in servile bondage. Those powers are not keen on the presence and practice of Jesus. So they kill him. The rest is history. Jerusalem falls to imperial Rome and Rome itself enters into its decline and decay.

Jesus is one of thousands crucified by the Roman authority and in full sight of the religious establishment in Jerusalem. The crime of Jesus was sedition. By getting people to think about their relationship with God and with power Jesus presents a threat to those who are well served by the existing arrangement of power. Anyone who had the courage to speak and act in contradiction to the political and religious powers was at risk. The torturous execution of persons by crucifixion was intended as a warning and a deterrent to the general population. Stay in line or suffer the consequences. Most were intimidated and compliant.

Jesus shine light in the darkness of politics and religion by which human being on the planet are exploited and oppressed. This exercise of oppressive power being grounded in the temptation to determine the knowledge of good and evil outside the boundary established by God. Remember the divider trying to get Jesus to sign on to the way of the world in the wilderness after being baptized? Jesus is revealed as effectually dead to the way of the world and alive to the way of God. He is light in the dark.

Through all the ages power has gained the upper hand. The Bible shows this historical pattern in Egypt, Jerusalem, Babylon, Persia and Rome. The pattern is present in the rise and fall of all the great civilizations of our human history. Jesus dies the death of a martyr. A witness to the truth in a time when deception and treachery are the order of the day.

So what do we learn from the exemplar Jesus? I have learned to recognize the historical patter of injustice and prefer the alternative. Even if choosing the alternative makes me an outsider to the majority opinion. I have been arrested and imprisoned for my public witness. I have been censured and curtailed by the church for my public witness. I am prepared to be noticed as a resister of any state agenda endorsed by any religious agenda. I would consider it an honour to lay down my life for truth rather than conform to the patterns of injustice perennially revealed in history and now if full force in our time and place.

These are a few impressions from my perspective. I am also adding a link to the contextual indications you request. Let me know what you think.

George
 
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Cross over from cold to spring up season? Some people really suck up to that without respect for a time free of slaving to enriching the greater powers ... who feel encouraged to do as they will without humbler concerns as thoughts!

Time will tell how we raped history and created logical fallacies ... opposing metaphors in opposition to straight out lies ...

Such things amuse the powers behind the scene as subtle and partisan ... deep, or hypo crisis when they rise ... OZH ite ...
 
Did you know that Oz, Os, Jude 'n where metaphors for power supporting Romantic fallacies? No Q loos included for the humble castes ... scatty? Then there was the Oz 've psyche and Sophia ... as the eased out of the world of passion alone and 3000 wise M'N were darkly hung in a Ape 'n way of no see, no hear, no speak of such things and thus the stimulus of thought fades ... kind of like mortal feel of a limited part of a' mon stir ... Cajon of the story ... Spanish Balls? A vicious game played by old folks in the courts ... of latter Dais judge mentalism! Dearly departed items?

Lost sol ... or lucid aspirations about we could've Dunne B' Eta ... hmmmmmmm!

Maybe an interim spot ... or just purge a' Tory ... the constant fissure mon ... hah droller type? Perhaps hide role as looking deeper into the parchment as skin deep?
 
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