What Do You See?

[Mendalla]

The crucifixion wasn't planned?

No. Pilate could well have chosen another punishment or set Jesus free. The Jewish temple leaders wanted him to be executed, but they could not "plan" it because only a Roman official had the power to make that call. The crucifixion was not inevitable and not planned unless you buy the notion that it was a predetermined outcome forced by God. Yes, I'm blaming Pilate. Hand-washing notwithstanding, he was the one with the power of life and death and he made the decision.

 

[Waterfall]

No. Pilate could well have chosen another punishment or set Jesus free. The Jewish temple leaders wanted him to be executed, but they could not "plan" it because only a Roman official had the power to make that call. The crucifixion was not inevitable and not planned unless you buy the notion that it was a predetermined outcome forced by God. Yes, I'm blaming Pilate. Hand-washing notwithstanding, he was the one with the power of life and death and he made the decision.

It seems that Jesus walked right into it knowing full well what the outcome would be.

 

[Mendalla]

It seems that Jesus walked right into it knowing full well what the outcome would be.

What the PROBABLE outcome would be. And that just means HE believed in the inevitability of it, not that it actually was inevitable. In the end, the idea that the crucifixion HAD to happen is a faith statement.

 

[Jaebius]

It seems that Jesus walked right into it knowing full well what the outcome would be.

Yes. He died a voluntary death.

 

[Luce NDs]

It seems that Jesus walked right into it knowing full well what the outcome would be.

Seeking a way out of unbearable life?

 

[chansen]

Seeking a way out of unbearable life?

His dad put a lot of expectations on him.

 

[Ritafee]

I won't disagree with that. It's just that some quaint saying delivered by a shadowy guy wearing white bedsheets isn't going to be the motivating factor for change.

 

[Neo]

His dad put a lot of expectations on him.

 

[Luce NDs]

Beer me up folks from the pits of laughter ... where satyrs dwell!

 

[Mendalla]

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From the alternative director's cut of The Force Awakens that will be on the deluxe Blu-Ray collection, I take it?

 

[GeoFee]

God was asking Abraham to sacrifice Isaac. Such was the test given to Abraham. Did he have enough faith to obey God even if doing so would seem to cut off God's promise.

God commanded Abraham to commit murder?

 

[Jaebius]

God commanded Abraham to commit murder?

"God said, 'Take now your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love. And go to the land of Moriah. Give him as a burnt gift on the altar in worship, on one of the mountains I will show you'" - Genesis 22:2 (NLV).

 

[GeoFee]

"God said, 'Take now your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love. And go to the land of Moriah. Give him as a burnt gift on the altar in worship, on one of the mountains I will show you'" - Genesis 22:2 (NLV).

Would the consummated act have been murder?

 

[Jaebius]

Would the consummated act have been murder?

Only he who takes the takes the knife gets Isaac.

 

[GeoFee]

Only he who takes the takes the knife gets Isaac.

Would that be an enigmatic yes or an enigmatic no? Or simply a dodge of the very simple question?

 

[Jaebius]

Would that be an enigmatic yes or an enigmatic no? Or simply a dodge of the very simple question?

Indeed.

 

[GeoFee]

Shall I assume you would rather not answer the simple question?

May I ask why?

 

[unsafe]

GoeFee -----your quote -----God commanded Abraham to commit murder?

No GoeFee He didn't command Abraham to commit murder ------

In all your Getting GeoFee Get Understanding -----your putting your own Human translation to work here -------

God puts out a Plea to Abraham ------not a command -----here are a couple of translations ---most English translations leave out the word Hebrew please ----but it is there if you do your research so it may Look like a command but it is Not -----and put your spiritual glasses on -----rely on the Holy Spirit GeoFee not your own understanding -----

Genesis 22:2Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

2 And He saith, `Take, I pray thee, thy son, thine only one, whom thou hast loved, even Isaac, and go for thyself unto the land of Moriah, and cause him to ascend there for a burnt-offering on one of the mountains of which I speak unto thee.'


Bereshis 22:2Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB)

2 And He said, Take now thy son, thine ben yachid (only son) Yitzchak, whom thou lovest, and get thee into eretz Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.

You have 2 words here GeoFee ----pray in one translation and now in the other ------both mean Please -----

4994. na ►
Strong's Concordance
na: I (we) pray, now
Original Word: נָא
Part of Speech: Interjection
Transliteration: na
Phonetic Spelling: (naw)

Short Definition: please

So God says ----Take Please your son ------it is not a command ---it was a plea -----Abraham was being tested ---is was a faith and obedience issue

As a Preacher do you really think that God after Promising and giving assurance to Abraham that Isaac was a child of promise that God would command Isaac be murdered ------I certainly hope not -----

 

[Jaebius]

Shall I assume you would rather not answer the simple question?

I am satisfied with what I have shared thus far. What is your answer to the question GeoFee?

 

[Luce NDs]

Don't tell him anything Geo ... he's picking for things he doesn't know when previously he said he knows god near everything ...