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Jae said:
In my experience Luce, it's best NOT to hold on. That's why most public places have multiple washrooms.
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But the stoic demand stops ... and the waste seizes hold! Thus time is wasted as the rush goes on ... and produces denial by those that are blind tuit! It is said everyone should have one ...

Thus environmental seizure ... that which surrounds us by nature ... of God ... MOG wise could this be virtue?

Could be a hairy creature ... I am indeterminate about what that means in a film!
 
Jae said:
A washroom designated [handicapped symbol] for those people who... wait for it... have a handicap.
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Actually, anyone can use such a washroom - the designation is that architecturally/design wise it meets standards for accessibility.
 
Seeler said:
I'm struggling between using 'they' as a plural, as I was taught in elementary school and have used it for 70 years, and
using it as a gender neutral pronoun. I think that if it continues the trend of being gender neutral I will gradually get used to it and eventually it will become normal useage for me.
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I agree Seeler - like when Ms came into use some 50 or so years ago - now it's standard use and doesn't really raise an eyebrow.
 
Carolla said:
Actually, anyone can use such a washroom - the designation is that architecturally/design wise it meets standards for accessibility.
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Too true. The architectural design is typically known as universal design and where followed it promotes universal accessibility. It is likely going to become a more common design philosophy for public spaces.
 
Carolla said:
Actually, anyone can use such a washroom - the designation is that architecturally/design wise it meets standards for accessibility.
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I suppose that technically you're correct Carolla. Nevertheless, as a former leader of that church, I stand by saying that the washroom was designated for those with a handicap.
 
Jae said:
I suppose that technically you're correct Carolla. Nevertheless, as a former leader of that church, I stand by saying that the washroom was designated for those with a handicap.
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Umm -- as a "former leader of that church" - did you somehow police who went in & out of that washroom? :whistle: What would happen if a person without disability used it? :eek:
 
I think,because language is ever changing, that maybe it is time to make all pronouns gender neutral. No more guessing as to what someone identifies.
 
Or so he pro noun Cid ... we will observe ... see what follows ... in tongue slips ... Jungian attributes to stoic items! More of an essence than existence ...
 
I would like to thank everyone for the lively discussion around pronouns.
Now if I may shed some light on this......
When in doubt ..... ASK....
When corrected by a person simply acknowledge the identity and refer to them accordingly from then on.
Really it is not difficult.
There have been a few snide comments so far and that is an indication that we have a ways to go to be civil, kind, and may I say ... truly christian to each other.
Our language has been built on the the false premise that there are only two possible genders and that they are mutually exclusive of each other. Therefore we do not have the language to express the true reality of the human spectrum.
I have noted comments here about proper grammar.....
I would ask this of you ....please do not let "proper grammar" supersede my identity.
It has been pointed out that language is an ever evolving thing.
Can we not use our existing language in a kind and sensitive way while we build the language we need?
Which is more important? ... an adherence to stiff grammar rules? ...or the heart of a person that is trying to express who they truly are?
Here is what I do when meeting someone ... I hope it helps...
"Hello ... my name is Rita... she and her please ..... and you are???"
I do that with everyone and it works well...
Just use the pronoun the person wants please.... it is so important to their identity and where they are on their path.
I ask that we do this simple thing as an act of kindness and reaching out to acknowledge another soul for who they are.
 
And, for the record, I follow some trans folks on Twitter and the message from them is the same as what Rita just posted so she's not just speaking for herself here. Be polite and ask. Use what they ask you to use. Is that so hard?
 
RitaTG said:
I would like to thank everyone for the lively discussion around pronouns.
Now if I may shed some light on this......
When in doubt ..... ASK....
When corrected by a person simply acknowledge the identity and refer to them accordingly from then on.
Really it is not difficult.
There have been a few snide comments so far and that is an indication that we have a ways to go to be civil, kind, and may I say ... truly christian to each other.
Our language has been built on the the false premise that there are only two possible genders and that they are mutually exclusive of each other. Therefore we do not have the language to express the true reality of the human spectrum.
I have noted comments here about proper grammar.....
I would ask this of you ....please do not let "proper grammar" supersede my identity.
It has been pointed out that language is an ever evolving thing.
Can we not use our existing language in a kind and sensitive way while we build the language we need?
Which is more important? ... an adherence to stiff grammar rules? ...or the heart of a person that is trying to express who they truly are?
Here is what I do when meeting someone ... I hope it helps...
"Hello ... my name is Rita... she and her please ..... and you are???"
I do that with everyone and it works well...
Just use the pronoun the person wants please.... it is so important to their identity and where they are on their path.
I ask that we do this simple thing as an act of kindness and reaching out to acknowledge another soul for who they are.
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Hi Rita,
I like the way you introduce yourself. Where would you like to see language develop- towards gender neutral pronouns for everyone or specific ones for people not classifying themselves into the he/she category?
 
Mendalla said:
And, for the record, I follow some trans folks on Twitter and the message from them is the same as what Rita just posted so she's not just speaking for herself here. Be polite and ask. Use what they ask you to use. Is that so hard?
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Sure, that's not so hard in each specify case. But I am thinking ahead towards how language could be developed. For example, how can it become common to use neutral pronoun for someone who can't be clearly identified as male/female. Thinking, for example, that often, if it is unknown which gender someone was , the male is used. I.e. in police/ news reports. An neutral single pronoun would be really helpful. Same with a pronoun for God. Most times, "he" is used unless someone wants to stress her female attributes. If there was a neutral pronoun, and it would be commonly used in church, it could change language rapidly.
 
All we have to do is collectively agree that They Them Their can refer to both single and multiple persons, and we're all set. Context will almost invariably give the cue as to which is referred to.
 
BetteTheRed said:
All we have to do is collectively agree that They Them Their can refer to both single and multiple persons, and we're all set. Context will almost invariably give the cue as to which is referred to.
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That is likely the longterm solution but it will take a generation to set in. A lot of English teachers and editors will still slap you on the wrist for using They as a third person singular neuter.
 
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