Who's gonna light up?

[BetteTheRed]

It was also a legitimate response to a demand by citizens to have access to a herb that, by every measurement, is a less harmful drug than alcohol or nicotine. It was also following a similar movement in the U.S. And it will be good for the legal economy. A whole bunch of money is going to go from the hands of dealers to the hands of business owners, with a tax cut for the government. I don't see much to lose in the situation.

 

[Graeme Decarie]

When I was teaching in The Netherlands, smoking up in public was acceptable and very, very common. I can remember a street square that was filled with people stoned out of their minds. They would certainly be a hazard driving cars or even crossing a street. And it must have been very, very expensive.
I agree we should treat the smokers as victims. But making marijuana legal may well be a step too far that may spread more than it will cure.

 

[BetteTheRed]

I'd be really interested to know how you think it can spread farther than it has, graeme. Anyone who wants to acquire pot can do so, with a minimum of difficulty. Unfortunately, though, it's probably the only contact that normally law-abiding people have with biker gangs, lol...

 

[Graeme Decarie]

It is, certainly widespread. - perhaps too widespread to control.

 

[Neo]

I thought they had found that where it had become legal there was no significant increase noted. As Bette says, it's there to be had now if people want it. You may have a slight increase where say somebody who's never smoked will try it, but I don't think legalizing it will create any big increase in chronic smokers.

As a side note, with the fentanyl crises in BC right now I think they should legalize heroin too. This would take the demand for opioid drugs away from the criminal element and save a lot of lives.

 

[Neo]

 

[Mrs.Anteater]

I'd be really interested to know how you think it can spread farther than it has, graeme. Anyone who wants to acquire pot can do so, with a minimum of difficulty. Unfortunately, though, it's probably the only contact that normally law-abiding people have with biker gangs, lol...

A story from my sister in Germany. Her kids went to a private Protestant school. In grade 10, the class usually made a trip to the Netherlands were they had a school they would exchange classtrips with. My niece and nephew reported that in the evening, everyone would meet at the beach and consume pot ( they were in individual guest families). The kids would smoke with the parents at home. I guess, you can compare it to binge drinking, which is also wide spread.
The question is, does the society need to have more drugs to fog up people's minds?

 

[Luce NDs]

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It could lead smoothly into the Great Escape as suggested by Freud as a wish attributed to people that they weren't here just now ... and thus they slipped away ... unnoticed by the tyrants counting what was in their stores. Bait to get the authorities to release you from carrying out their crap?

Sous-IDe is still on the books (tomes) as a crime ... they'll get you for leaving before your time ... read Roots! It gets right down to the footprints in time as sans ... out there ... have respect for them now out've IDe ... a' priori as in the beginning power ... blind passions? Some fete are cur tailed ...

Is there an a'po'steri perspective? That's the Golden Hynde (QE I's gold carrier) following the Golden Bull in some mythologies about the strange Ness of soul as a dark hole metaphor ... can't be seen in reality ... without excessive steri oid's ... similar to chole sterol ... main component of the brain other than neural fluid ... don't cha think? Allows for Salem's pool ... thinking men being devils to great opinion-ists ... from the adept's great gonad ... mere medical observation that can be also opinionated as a human fallacy about inhumane conditions ... oppression by hyper critics that cannot accept hypo Nautica (those below the superficial levels) ... tis a vast spot ... when you're considered nothing to the tyrants ...

 

[BetteTheRed]

A story from my sister in Germany. Her kids went to a private Protestant school. In grade 10, the class usually made a trip to the Netherlands were they had a school they would exchange classtrips with. My niece and nephew reported that in the evening, everyone would meet at the beach and consume pot ( they were in individual guest families). The kids would smoke with the parents at home. I guess, you can compare it to binge drinking, which is also wide spread.
The question is, does the society need to have more drugs to fog up people's minds?

I'm assuming you've never smoked or otherwise consumed cannabis. Alcohol fogs people's minds. Makes them stupid, say stupid things, do stupider things. A bit of herb has a tendency to relax conversation, people are less defensive, more easily amused. Sometimes quite profound, something that never happens under the influence of alcohol, in my experience.

I don't compare it to binge drinking, at all. I compare people smoking at home with their kids to people who allow their children a taste of watered wine with dinner, etc.

(And a word about the difference in schools. My kids had it summed up in our particular town with some clarity: more drugs in the public school, more pregnant girls in the Catholic school...)

 

[Pontifex Geronimo 13]

Baloney,

I remember standing behind stoned idiots at 3 in the morning, confused because they couldn't figure out how to get their money out of their pockets because their pants were on inside out.

Not looking forward to that in broad daylight. They better make a $500 fine for stoners who try to use the self checkout lanes. I don't have time for that. There should be an IQ test at the beginning of those lines anyways. If you don't know what 4011 stands for - please go to the full serve lanes.

 

[Neo]

Baloney,

I remember standing behind stoned idiots at 3 in the morning, confused because they couldn't figure out how to get their money out of their pockets because their pants were on inside out.

Not looking forward to that in broad daylight. They better make a $500 fine for stoners who try to use the self checkout lanes. I don't have time for that. There should be an IQ test at the beginning of those lines anyways. If you don't know what 4011 stands for - please go to the full serve lanes.

And I've run into drunks who were just as bad.

 

[Neo]

One of my biggest issues with this debate is the number of people who end up in jail and/or with a criminal record for smoking a plant.

 

[Pinga]

Baloney,

I remember standing behind stoned idiots at 3 in the morning, confused because they couldn't figure out how to get their money out of their pockets because their pants were on inside out.

Not looking forward to that in broad daylight. They better make a $500 fine for stoners who try to use the self checkout lanes. I don't have time for that. There should be an IQ test at the beginning of those lines anyways. If you don't know what 4011 stands for - please go to the full serve lanes.

What does 4011 stand for?

 

[Mendalla]

One of my biggest issues with this debate is the number of people who end up in jail and/or with a criminal record for smoking a plant.

But that could be dealt with by decriminalization as Paul Martin attempted to do. Basically, possession of pot is still illegal but for a small amount (I think 2 oz. was the number) you'd be fined and not have a record. And, with it having that low a status, cops likely wouldn't even bother unless someone was stupidly obvious about it. Still lets the cops go after growers and dealers, but protects your average user from the worst consequences. So why full legalization rather than decriminalization if that's the primary rationale? It's A reason to legalize, but alone isn't enough since the problem could be dealt with in other ways.

(BTW, I am pro-legalization and regulation, but I do think we need to think carefully about ALL the issues and reasons for doing it. I certainly would have been happy with Martin's decriminalization as a first step had the fall of his minority not killed it.)

 

[Neo]

But that could be dealt with by decriminalization as Paul Martin attempted to do. Basically, possession of pot is still illegal but for a small amount (I think 2 oz. was the number) you'd be fined and not have a record. And, with it having that low a status, cops likely wouldn't even bother unless someone was stupidly obvious about it. Still lets the cops go after growers and dealers, but protects your average user from the worst consequences. So why full legalization rather than decriminalization if that's the primary rationale? It's A reason to legalize, but alone isn't enough since the problem could be dealt with in other ways.

(BTW, I am pro-legalization and regulation, but I do think we need to think carefully about ALL the issues and reasons for doing it. I certainly would have been happy with Martin's decriminalization as a first step had the fall of his minority not killed it.)

Agreed

 

[Pontifex Geronimo 13]

What does 4011 stand for?

Bananas. The not so secret code for bananas. Throughout the world. You put your bananas on the scale, type 4011, and move on. Some people spend 3 minutes entering their bananas. If every speed checkout gets one of those customers, everybody else may as well shoot themselves.

 

[Neo]

Bananas. The not so secret code for bananas. Throughout the world. You put your bananas on the scale, type 4011, and move on. Some people spend 3 minutes entering their bananas. If every speed checkout gets one of those customers, everybody else may as well shoot themselves.

I could think of a thousand reasons why somebody couldn't remember the code for bananas. I suppose you have no patience for those people too?

 

[Pinga]

Bananas. The not so secret code for bananas. Throughout the world. You put your bananas on the scale, type 4011, and move on. Some people spend 3 minutes entering their bananas. If every speed checkout gets one of those customers, everybody else may as well shoot themselves.

Seriously? I cannot imagine why I would remember this

 

[Pontifex Geronimo 13]

Maybe you've smoked too much dope. It is on every sticker on every bunch of bananas in the world.

 

[ChemGal]

Maybe you've smoked too much dope. It is on every sticker on every bunch of bananas in the world.

Organic bananas would be different.

I haven't memorized any of the codes. If I use the self checkouts I try to grab produce with the stickers as much as possible, or else memorize it short-term.