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BetteTheRed said:
Well, actually, no. Animal sacrifice replaced human sacrifice. Judaism specifically rejects pagan human sacrifices, like the child sacrifices to Ba'al. I think that the episode where Abraham is instructed to sacrifice Isaac and doesn't have to go through with it marks the end of the period of human sacrifice to gain closeness with the gods. After that, it becomes a communal meal with God. In order to have a meal, of meat, in the ancient world, an animal is going to die.
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I personally believe that it is not God's character to ask for a human sacrifice, that this was not meant to test Abraham but a chance, for God to reveal who He really is....
The old testament God and the new testament God are the same....a loving God.
 
Waterfall said:
I personally believe that it is not God's character to ask for a human sacrifice, that this was not meant to test Abraham but a chance, for God to reveal who He really is....
The old testament God and the new testament God are the same....a loving God.
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Another example of why we can't take the Bible literally. There's more to these stories than is on the surface.
 
Neo said:
Another example of why we can't take the Bible literally. There's more to these stories than is on the surface.
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You do believe in adepts? Some say it is aesthetic ... like Oxfords ... tis complex !

A Shue of another hue ...
 
Neo said:
Another example of why we can't take the Bible literally. There's more to these stories than is on the surface.
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--What you posted is very true Neo. But I don't think you understand only GOD through His Holy Spirit can teach literally the hole Bible . All Glory Is GODS.
 
airclean33 said:
--What you posted is very true Neo. But I don't think you understand only GOD through His Holy Spirit can teach literally the hole Bible . All Glory Is GODS.
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How exactly does the Holy Spirit "teach literally the hole (sic) Bible"? He was there from the beginning to the end? So what? What has that do with reading the Bible literally and to the dead letter? And, finally, why do you think I don't understand it?

I believe I understand enough to known that symbols have meanings that we see with the inner eye. They represent a greater truth that lay beneath the surface, stirring the intuition as they unfold their secrets. There's nothing dead about the study of symbols. Have you ever read any Joseph Campbell?
 
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Waterfall said:
I personally believe that it is not God's character to ask for a human sacrifice, that this was not meant to test Abraham but a chance, for God to reveal who He really is....
The old testament God and the new testament God are the same....a loving God.
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God was asking Abraham to sacrifice Isaac. Such was the test given to Abraham. Did he have enough faith to obey God even if doing so would seem to cut off God's promise.
 
Jae, you sound like the zionist religious scholar Martin Buber in regards to why Abraham tried to kill his son.

"Joseph Campbell, the famous American anthropologist and mythology scholar, listening to the Jewish and zionist religious scholar Martin Buber who was talking about Phoenicians and what terrible criminals they were in sacrificing their elder sons to Moloch. About fifteen minutes later, he comes to Abraham about to sacrifice Isaac. Dr Campbell addresses the speaker: “Dr Buber, how do you distinguish between the divine and diabolical invitation ?” Dr Buber inquired : ” What do you mean by that ?” Dr Campbell explained : ” Well some fifteen minutes earlier, you were excoriating the Phoenicians for killing their oldest sons and now you ‘re celebrating Abraham for having been about to do the same thing with his oldest son. So, what is the answer ?” Dr Buber said : “The answer is ‘We’ with a capital W – We believe that God spoke to Abraham”. That was the only answer Dr Campbell received regarding this matter."

From Dr Campbell book: Transformation of myth through time.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/dirassa...ssion-between-joseph-campbell-and-martin/amp/
 
Jae said:
God was asking Abraham to sacrifice Isaac. Such was the test given to Abraham. Did he have enough faith to obey God even if doing so would seem to cut off God's promise.
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Why would God have to test Abraham if He knows all?
 
Waterfall said:
No, but God knows everything, so why would God have to test Abraham?
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God of course already knew that Abraham had faith in him, it was necessary for Abraham to prove it through action. "His faith was made complete by what he did" (James 2:21-23). Because of his actions, not only God but Abraham, his family and future generations knew that Abraham trusted God. This trust was important because it indicated that Abraham had the proper relationship with God and all could believe who would become the father of our faith
 
blackbelt1961 said:
God of course already knew that Abraham had faith in him, it was necessary for Abraham to prove it through action. "His faith was made complete by what he did" (James 2:21-23). Because of his actions, not only God but Abraham, his family and future generations knew that Abraham trusted God. This trust was important because it indicated that Abraham had the proper relationship with God and all could believe who would become the father of our faith
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But it wasn't necessary to prove this through action, God being omnipotent and omnipresent and omniscient, would already know. He didn't have to test Abraham'a faith or actions.
 
Waterfall said:
But it wasn't necessary to prove this through action, God being omnipotent and omnipresent and omniscient, would already know. He didn't have to test Abraham'a faith or actions.
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But it was necessaey for Abraham being a mere man to have his faith stretched to new highs
 
Waterfall said:
Why would God have to test Abraham if He knows all?
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God was trying to learn from the mistakes of the other? Alas Gods don't learn well ... look at the evolution of the Latin God's through to Mussolini? Then as a para -eL consider metaphysical spooks!

According to Nahum this god may have been jealous, vengeful, violent and full of avarice ... beyond that is there something more gentile, subtle in power... like a good period of aspiration of the Shadow character ... tis abstract (like God denied thinking)!

Come to think of it if one mistakes desire-adda for intelligencia ... would one miss a great force of the iconographic powers? Could that be a snaky as misinterpreted Janus ... without knowing both cheeks of the enigma? Nigma usually accepted as dark and riddle some ... jars them that believe they know everything and opening up space for those of us doing etude on Uncertainty Principle! In a pool of lyres ... how could one be sure of anything ?
 
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Jae said:
Only he who lifts the knife gets Isaac.
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That Dag Got Edge Syndrome ... like in Bo Gest .. at best terrible faeces ... a chitty attitude towards the heavier brother ... loaded down with intellect ... why creation devised a plan to put this in a sub conscience ... through the reciprocal lens of psyche ... fully upended (reciprocal thinking)? Tis deeper than you'd imagine ...
 
blackbelt1961 said:
But it was necessaey for Abraham being a mere man to have his faith stretched to new highs
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So God thought it was necessary for Abraham to take his son, who may have been in his 30's at the time, and let his son think that his father was going to kill him just so Abraham could stretch his faith? This doesn't make sense. Does that line up with God's character IYO? A God that commands us not to kill?
 
Waterfall said:
I have no idea what you're talking about here.
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Abraham had a conundrum. God had promised to make him the father of many nations. And God had told him to sacrifice Isaac.

If Abraham were to sacrifice Isaac - he would lose his child of the promise - and thus the promise would go unfulfilled. But if Abraham were to choose to not sacrifice Isaac - he would have disobeyed God.
 
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