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Jae said:
Abraham had a conundrum. God had promised to make him the father of many nations. And God had told him to sacrifice Isaac.

If Abraham were to sacrifice Isaac - he would lose his child of the promise - and thus the promise would go unfulfilled. But if Abraham were to choose to not sacrifice Isaac - he would have disobeyed God.
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Again I ask, as disturbing as this story is, why you only see God offering only two choices that absolutely don't line up with God's character?
 
Waterfall said:
Again I ask, as disturbing as this story is, why you only see God offering only two choices that absolutely don't line up with God's character?
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There were only two choices. God said, "Take your son, your only son Isaac whom I know you love deeply,and go to the land of Moriah. When you get there, I want you to offer Isaac to Me as a burnt offering on one of the mountains. I will show you which one" - Genesis 22:2 (VOICE). Abraham could choose to obey, or he could choose not to obey.
 
Co nun drum ... a thing not yet beat upon by a couple ... nate shine al conjunct! As in politic ... po'lyre mis understood gnostic immaterial!

Thrumming in the night ... may be instituted by prior thought when returning to pas't things ... half emptied Grails ... or perhaps a matched agate ... home of ideas on chalcedony and fixed roués ... these are often corrupted by Caduceus ... only cured by the rod of As*cle*Pious .. "cle" being a bottom line thing in producing closed vessels ... a bit of unguent may start one of these alien pyres ... flames unseen?
 
Jae said:
There were only two choices. God said, "Take your son, your only son Isaac whom I know you love deeply,and go to the land of Moriah. When you get there, I want you to offer Isaac to Me as a burnt offering on one of the mountains. I will show you which one" - Genesis 22:2 (VOICE). Abraham could choose to obey, or he could choose not to obey.
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Jae I know what the passage says, what I'm asking you is this, ....does this sound like God speaking when he commands Abraham to kill his son? From what you know about God, is this God's character to tell us to kill another human being?
 
Waterfall said:
Again I ask, as disturbing as this story is, why you only see God offering only two choices that absolutely don't line up with God's character?
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Gods are really brutii ... fortes ... but they do have counterpoints in nature ... that can break into the darkness ... with an adequate Rueben ...

As mentioned afore about Nahum ... be cognizant of the destructive nature of God(s) ... keep you head down ... thus the storm may blow over ... passions are like this ... unless you can grasp the incident and make something of it ... copy, or prototype ... role model for later constructs? Possibly just something in my Mrs. Arranged head ... as-heed, sometime heedless, or hed*oni*stic? That's how the thickness goes ...
 
Then there's this Mrs. Hype revival ... as lambda raised on another Dais ... head o'na stick? Funny symbol that stands out in the Brave New (Novel) World ... something only projected as dead bore ...
 
Waterfall said:
Jae I know what the passage says, what I'm asking you is this, ....does this sound like God speaking when he commands Abraham to kill his son? From what you know about God, is this God's character to tell us to kill another human being?
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The same God who allowed the ethnic cleansing of Canaan? Who wiped out humanity save for one family because he was ticked off at their behaviour? Why does this surprise you? The understanding, the picture, of God in the Bible changes over time and in the early going, God's a bit of a hardass. Why? Because The Bible isn't a single, coherent book. It is not a novel, it is an anthology and some of what it collects are oral traditions, meaning there are many, many authorial sources, not all of them documented. Thus, it reflects a changing human perception and understanding of God as the focus of those telling the stories moves from God as law-giver and stern parent to God as the source of Grace. God never changes, but humans and how they perceive God do. It is much like we see happening to a pop culture character like Batman as different authors give their take on his story. Batman ranges from deputized crime-fighter assisting the police (in the 1966 TV series) all the way to vicious vigilante anti-hero fighting the police as much as the criminals (in, for instance, Frank Miller's "Dark Knight" stories) and everywhere in between. Which, of course, brings us to the ultimate question of whether God is a real thing or a "character" in a shared universe (or a real thing that has been used as a character).
 
Mendalla said:
The same God who allowed the ethnic cleansing of Canaan? Who wiped out humanity save for one family because he was ticked off at their behaviour? Why does this surprise you? The understanding, the picture, of God in the Bible changes over time and in the early going, God's a bit of a hardass. Why? Because The Bible isn't a single, coherent book. It is not a novel, it is an anthology and some of what it collects are oral traditions, meaning there are many, many authorial sources, not all of them documented. Thus, it reflects a changing human perception and understanding of God as the focus of those telling the stories moves from God as law-giver and stern parent to God as the source of Grace. God never changes, but humans and how they perceive God do. It is much like we see happening to a pop culture character like Batman as different authors give their take on his story. Batman ranges from deputized crime-fighter assisting the police (in the 1966 TV series) all the way to vicious vigilante anti-hero fighting the police as much as the criminals (in, for instance, Frank Miller's "Dark Knight" stories) and everywhere in between. Which, of course, brings us to the ultimate question of whether God is a real thing or a "character" in a shared universe.
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Perhaps per sona is a better approximation of the son ET ... ET being and overhead thing as reciprocated upon in Canon reflection ...
 
Waterfall said:
Jae I know what the passage says, what I'm asking you is this, ....does this sound like God speaking when he commands Abraham to kill his son? From what you know about God, is this God's character to tell us to kill another human being?
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Since God said it, it must be within God's character to say it.
 
Mendalla said:
The same God who allowed the ethnic cleansing of Canaan? Who wiped out humanity save for one family because he was ticked off at their behaviour? Why does this surprise you? The understanding, the picture, of God in the Bible changes over time and in the early going, God's a bit of a hardass. Why? Because The Bible isn't a single, coherent book. It is not a novel, it is an anthology and some of what it collects are oral traditions, meaning there are many, many authorial sources, not all of them documented. Thus, it reflects a changing human perception and understanding of God as the focus of those telling the stories moves from God as law-giver and stern parent to God as the source of Grace. God never changes, but humans and how they perceive God do. It is much like we see happening to a pop culture character like Batman as different authors give their take on his story. Batman ranges from deputized crime-fighter assisting the police (in the 1966 TV series) all the way to vicious vigilante anti-hero fighting the police as much as the criminals (in, for instance, Frank Miller's "Dark Knight" stories) and everywhere in between. Which, of course, brings us to the ultimate question of whether God is a real thing or a "character" in a shared universe (or a real thing that has been used as a character).
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All of which, isn't about God but about us. We are revealed to be who we've become...... through God's presence.
 
Waterfall said:
All of which, isn't about God but about us. We are revealed to be who we've become...... through God's presence.
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That's kind of my point. I'm suggesting that maybe God IS all about us. He's a character we've created based on our religious experience on to which we project our fears and desires. If there is a real God, any resemblance to what is in The Bible (or any other human source) may be pure coincidence.
 
Waterfall said:
So God thought it was necessary for Abraham to take his son, who may have been in his 30's at the time, and let his son think that his father was going to kill him just so Abraham could stretch his faith? This doesn't make sense. Does that line up with God's character IYO? A God that commands us not to kill?
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No . your missing the point, God though it necessary that if Abraham is going to be the father of our faith to billions of people including future generation, that his faith be solid, Totally unmovable and also seen as solid by the people, so the people can have faith in God as seen through Abraham's strength.

Many have the strength to give up there life for a causes they believe in , we see this many times today , read it in the news, but to give your child's life, your only child at that , for a cause you believe in is not heard of , many cant even bear to think of it. This was the effect it had on Abraham and thous who looked to him, But God working with Abraham to fulfill his promises , worked with him to bring him to a place that he became father of many nations.

God from Genesis 17:4 "As for me, this is my covenant with you: You will be the father of many nations.

remember, God is always the potter , we are the clay being molded By God
 
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Mendalla said:
That's kind of my point. I'm suggesting that maybe God IS all about us. He's a character we've created based on our religious experience on to which we project our fears and desires. If there is a real God, any resemblance to what is in The Bible (or any other human source) may be pure coincidence.
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Probably why they say God lives within us and outside of us.......although I find it hard to believe that we could create perfection(God) without actually "being it".
 
Abraham was living in a culture that had human sacrifice.

The difference was that God actually spoke to Abraham and stopped the sacrifice, and said we gotta get out of here.
 
blackbelt1961 said:
No . your missing the point, God though it necessary that if Abraham is going to be the father of our faith to billions of people including future generation, that his faith be solid, Totally unmovable and also seen as solid by the people, so the people can have faith in God as seen through Abraham's strength.

Many have the strength to give up there life for a causes they believe in , we see this many times today , read it in the news, but to give your child's life, your only child at that , for a cause you believe in is not heard of , many cant even bear to think of it. This was the effect it had on Abraham and thous who looked to him, But God working with Abraham to fulfill his promises , worked with him to bring him to a place that he became father of many nations.

God from Genesis 17:4 "As for me, this is my covenant with you: You will be the father of many nations.

remember, God is always the potter , we are the clay being molded By God
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God already knew Abrahams faith was solid......in fact Abraham told the people" the boy and I will go up and worship and WE will return to you", not "I will return", after going up the mountain.
 
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