TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?

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Kimmio said:
It doesn't sound unreasonable to me. I am not "anti-vax". I got my flu shot this year and it has worked as far as I can tell. I am pro-health and if there are vaccines making people more sick than the good they're doing, that should be well known. That is not entirely inconceivable that money is a motivator. If not, and they're more beneficial than harmful, that should be known too. The big money lobbies need to get out of the way.

It's just interesting because, monk, if there is anyone who is of the American political elite class you so mistrust, it would be Robert Kennedy Jr. - the most famous political family modern U.S. History.
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I don't mistrust based on name gender race class and so on and so forth ... Just like I don't always dismiss what you or anyone else has to say based on what you may have said before or what you will say after ... if something resonates with me as a truth I care not which individual or which institution or media source brings it to my attention ... just whether or not it aligns with true or false in as much as I can discern it.
 
Some of us as still unsure of everything ... contrary to unsafe decisions to believe what they know without testing the fringes of the organ of abstraction ... witch goes on ... this is in some perspectives referred to in determinate settlements ... until the occupants move on due to revulsion of will-power ... this can resonate in dark arias ... Nigerian spirits ... of the jungle ... as Jinn?

With "t" substituted for 'j" as in some tradition ... one is prone to astin instead of asjin ... like lady Astly in Aus Trail an trains of thought, where a German tends the Bar! Something at which one punches out the great ignorant powers as Brutii! That last word being a Latin reflection of a man of armour ... hard to beat good sense into it!

Thus the need for poetic ... there's a TED Talk all about it as environmental iqon! The dis guys of intellect ... often dis't by the powers ...
 
Is there bait for the fringe? That'd be sol omo ng undie ... a pickled form of herring! In the "g" of dark past ... do you smell something fishy and Jaerd/Jared as a lessor power? In thyme it'll blossom ...
 
From all accounts James Mattis was a good choice for Defense Secretary who gave Trump at least some credibility. So let's think. Mattis believes torture doesn't work. Trump says Mattis convinced him that torture doesn't work. Mattis becomes Defense Secretary and within days Trump says he now believes torture works. Bluntly - if I'm James Mattis I'm pretty pissed off right now because Trump has just thrown me under the bus and destroyed any credibility I have as someone with any influence over him or his policies.
 
revsdd said:
From all accounts James Mattis was a good choice for Defense Secretary who gave Trump at least some credibility. So let's think. Mattis believes torture doesn't work. Trump says Mattis convinced him that torture doesn't work. Mattis becomes Defense Secretary and within days Trump says he now believes torture works. Bluntly - if I'm James Mattis I'm pretty pissed off right now because Trump has just thrown me under the bus and destroyed any credibility I have as someone with any influence over him or his policies.
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Do you question visceral emotions?
 
“The President can sign whatever executive orders he likes. But the law is the law. We are not bringing back torture in the United States of America." (Senator John McCain.) Do you get the sense that some of the more mainstream Republicans are already getting a bit embarrassed by their President?
 
Trump's argument will go down well with large numbers of Americans who see the sins of others, but not of themselves. He justified torture by citing the cruelty of lopping off hands by extreme Muslims groups - the same ones the U.S. has been funding.
Americans are horrified - but don't think of the millions of innocent people of all ages that have been killed or crippled by U.S. bombing and forced starvation (as in Yemen).
Nor is torture likely to make the U.S. more loved in the Muslim world.

Oh - the world leader in lopping off hands is our good ol' buddy, Saudi Arabia. Funny Trump didn't denounce that.
 
revsdd said:
“The President can sign whatever executive orders he likes. But the law is the law. We are not bringing back torture in the United States of America." (Senator John McCain.) Do you get the sense that some of the more mainstream Republicans are already getting a bit embarrassed by their President?
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They may have the eighth amendment, which states, "excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel or unusual punishments inflicted." BUT there has been no administration that has taken this literally and rather has chosen to omit the military, foreigners and wartime situations from it's influence. Even though this had been addressed by the Department of Justice in 2003, arguing that the eighth amendment has no application in obtaining intelligence from captured combatants.
https://www.justice.gov/sites/defau.../08/24/memo-combatantsoutsideunitedstates.pdf

This is contrary to the Geneva convention, which the US signed:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2441

This law leaves no room for argument, but still Bush or Obama chose to not follow through with prosecuting their own agents that committed any of these crimes.
 
I'm not reflecting so much on the specifics of the laws on torture or whether or not they've been followed. I'm more interested in the politics. Less than a week and I'm already sensing embarrassment from Republicans like McCain, like state GOP officials who are flat out denying Trump's claims of voter fraud. Even Paul Ryan today said that if Trump is going to build the wall he better present a budget for doing it. Republicans are already starting to distance themselves from Trump. They realize he's - well - kind of crazy and totally unpredictable; a complete loose cannon.
 
Graeme Decarie said:
Trump's argument will go down well with large numbers of Americans who see the sins of others, but not of themselves. He justified torture by citing the cruelty of lopping off hands by extreme Muslims groups - the same ones the U.S. has been funding.
Americans are horrified - but don't think of the millions of innocent people of all ages that have been killed or crippled by U.S. bombing and forced starvation (as in Yemen).
Nor is torture likely to make the U.S. more loved in the Muslim world.

Oh - the world leader in lopping off hands is our good ol' buddy, Saudi Arabia. Funny Trump didn't denounce that.
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Up until the year 2000, Canada still had a law that offered bounty for Indian scalps in our books.
http://www.thecoast.ca/RealityBites...2015-and-a-scalping-law-is-still-on-the-books
 
revsdd said:
I'm not reflecting so much on the specifics of the laws on torture or whether or not they've been followed. I'm more interested in the politics. Less than a week and I'm already sensing embarrassment from Republicans like McCain, like state GOP officials who are flat out denying Trump's claims of voter fraud. Even Paul Ryan today said that if Trump is going to build the wall he better present a budget for doing it. Republicans are already starting to distance themselves from Trump. They realize he's - well - kind of crazy and totally unpredictable; a complete loose cannon.
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Of course, but it will be the law that convicts him....if need be.
 
He's not really a maverick. On the issue of torture - and most other things - Trump is playing the only role he knows. He's the man on TV who storms in and says, "You're fired."
 
Protesting won't help, SNL type satire won't help (except to provide comic relief to the audience), it will only embolden him to lash out, because of his personality. Psychologists might be able to help.
Elon Musk said he joined the tech panel advising Trump - to be a voice of reason. I'm sure that's half true. Musk has a lot to lose if he were to criticize Trump. But he also realizes that there needs to be a different approach with Trump.
 
People with personality disorders, particularly ones featuring narcissism, don't tend to seek help from psychologists. They are just fine; it's you that has the problem.
 
I agree with Bette. Someone who is narcissistic will not seek out help. Why would they? The world revolves around them, and as long as everyone recognizes that life is good. I am heartened to see evidence that some more moderate or mainstream Republicans are starting to distance themselves. Of course, only time will tell how this plays out.
 
I would be surprised if there weren't psychologists advising those who see an obvious problem with him - one that wouldn't be easily changed if even possible. I realize he is the last person who would admit having a problem. He won't change. There will be no pivot. Protesting him will be taken deeply personally, not as a plea to reconsider policy. Distancing will only work so much, considering the power he has and how he reacts to criticism or snubbing. If everyone abandoned him there would be fewer cooler heads. He needs to know how much he will be admired if he makes reasonable decisions. It's, for him, about the admiration not the decisions. I think we will see a very different way of doing things in the WH for foreseeable future.
 
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