TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?

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Kimmio, I don't want anything to boil over. But the U.S. many not have a choice. It is a nation under the supreme control of a small number of the very, very wealthy. Those very, very wealthy control the government, the military and the police.
What would you suggest doing in that situation?
And, believe, I can help myself not to laugh at some times.

Clinton would have turned the temperature down? As she did in supporting mass murder in Libya and Syria? Yes. She's a real sweetheart.
graeme
 
Jae said:
To be clear @revsdd, Trump's director of the EPA believes that the causation of climate change by human industry is a hoax.
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Nope. Actually, an exact quote from Mr. Pruitt, as reported in The Guardian:

“Scientists continue to disagree about the degree and extent of global warming and its connection to the actions of mankind.”

In other words, it's not ONLY whether climate change is caused by humans, it's also the degree and extent - meaning, plausibly, that he doesn't believe there's any significant climate change going on at all.

His basic position seems to be that if ("IF") there's climate change it might not (MIGHT NOT) be caused by human activity.
 
Well, there are lots of countries where the President adds his family and friends into gouvernment. We used to look down on them as undemocratic. This just adds one more. Just wondering what would happen if Trump gets assasinated before becoming President. Would his choices still go into the positions he picked for them? This might be the last chance for the CIA to prevent major damage...
 
Mrs.Anteater said:
Well, there are lots of countries where the President adds his family and friends into gouvernment. We used to look down on them as undemocratic. This just adds one more. Just wondering what would happen if Trump gets assasinated before becoming President. Would his choices still go into the positions he picked for them? This might be the last chance for the CIA to prevent major damage...
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Trump has well-positioned his kids to take care of things. Should he be assassinated before assuming office, Baron becomes President.
 
Mrs.Anteater said:
Well, there are lots of countries where the President adds his family and friends into gouvernment. We used to look down on them as undemocratic. This just adds one more. Just wondering what would happen if Trump gets assasinated before becoming President. Would his choices still go into the positions he picked for them? This might be the last chance for the CIA to prevent major damage...
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I hope that doesn't happen because regardless of my feelings about Trump I wouldn't want that to happen to anyone. If it did I assume Pence would be sworn as Vice President on January 20 (the Vice President is always sworn in first) and then as soon as the vacancy occurs (Obama's term ends at exactly 12 noon on January 20) Pence would be sworn in as president. Pence would have the right to nominate his own Cabinet in that event.
 
Trump's policies are really quite similar to those of Clinton, Bush and Obama. None of them has shown real interest in climate change or education. All have similar foreign policy. (The Russian 'entente' is not what is appears to be.)
The U.S. has been crashing to destruction for some time. What Trump means is a speed up to the destruction.
After all, the same billionaires are in control for all American governments. So relax. nothing has really changed.
 
Graeme Decarie said:
Kimmio, I don't want anything to boil over. But the U.S. many not have a choice. It is a nation under the supreme control of a small number of the very, very wealthy. Those very, very wealthy control the government, the military and the police.
What would you suggest doing in that situation?
And, believe, I can help myself not to laugh at some times.

Clinton would have turned the temperature down? As she did in supporting mass murder in Libya and Syria? Yes. She's a real sweetheart.
graeme
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I would suggest that they should've voted for Clinton, even Bernie after questionably being taken out of the race - he could've held a grudge - got behind Clinton to try to prevent a Trump presidency. In the rush to stick it to the establishment, I think people were blinded to the potential consequences of that. "hate Hillary" was turned into a marketing brand. They were deluded into believing Trump cares about the commoner just because he's not a career politician. From the outside looking in, I have no idea how they thought Trump was a solution but they did. Clinton would've maintained a status quo - maybe that's bad enough in many respects - but it's not as scary, imo. Clinton could've adopted more of Bernie's positions, she could've changed course - she is less of a megalomaniac. Worse, is worse. Bernie knew that.
 
Kimmio, with all due respect, you're according a level of empathy to these people that they've never demonstrated. Politics, law, entertainment - to succeed in any you need to have a pretty thick skin.

I don't know how cynical to get. Did the billionaires decide the masses need a circus aka Drumpf?
 
Graeme Decarie said:
Trump's policies are really quite similar to those of Clinton, Bush and Obama. None of them has shown real interest in climate change or education. All have similar foreign policy. (The Russian 'entente' is not what is appears to be.)
The U.S. has been crashing to destruction for some time. What Trump means is a speed up to the destruction.
After all, the same billionaires are in control for all American governments. So relax. nothing has really changed.
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No they are not similar. You say that like a broken record. That's simply untrue. Hillary and Obama are not big supporters of private education, they are on board with the Paris climate agreement which Trump threatened to back out of - they aknowledge CLIMATE SCIENCE is legitimate - their foreign policy is different in many ways. They are not interested in ticking of the Chinese or straining relations with Mexico or alienating Muslim citizens of the U.S. Their domestic policy towards LGBT, and people with disabilities and minorities is certainly different. Stop saying they are the same. Yes, U.S. has problems but Hillary was not the nail in the coffin of democracy.
 
Kimmio said:
No they are not similar. That's simply untrue. Hillary and Obama are not big supporters of private education, they are on board with the Paris climate agreement which Trump threatened to back out of - the aknowledge CLIMATE SCIENCE is legitimate - their foreign policy is different in many ways. Their domestic policy towards LGBT, and people with disabilities and minorities is certainly different. Stop saying they are the same. Yes, U.S. has problems but Hillary was not the nail in the coffin of democracy.
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Clinton accepted funds from countries where they throw LGBT persons off rooftops.
 
BetteTheRed said:
Kimmio, with all due respect, you're according a level of empathy to these people that they've never demonstrated. Politics, law, entertainment - to succeed in any you need to have a pretty thick skin.

I don't know how cynical to get. Did the billionaires decide the masses need a circus aka Drumpf?
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No. Hillary was politics as usual. Boring by comparison. She wasn't a saint nor is she a villain to the degree she was made out to be. People needed a scapegoat after the ecomomic outcome of the Bush years materialized and they were struggling. Trump has had a goal of presidency for years and he channeled his media skill and awareness of a dumbed down segment of the population glued to reality TV and Twitter - into manipulating the perfect circumstances to win. He is scary.
 
Jae said:
Clinton accepted funds from countries where they throw LGBT persons off rooftops.
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Did she give them funds? Under Obama LGBT persons in the U.S. can now marry.

Harper sold armoured vehicles to Saudi that can be used against their protesters. Trudeau didn't back out of the deal - but it was Harpers deal to begin with.
 
A dumbed down segment of society? The whole of American and Canadian society has been dumbed down by news media propaganda and disinformation.
As for policies, Obama did virtually nothing for the good causes you cite. Privatization of school went on at a brisk rate through his term.
In practical terms, Bush is Obama is Clinton is Trump.
There is no foundation for democracy in the U.S. Almost all people are unaware of what the issues or the possibilities are. It's well known that Bush lied about the reason for invading Iraq and killing a million and a half people. So where's the action? Where's the anger? Where's the media criticism? Hillary gleefully took credit for the mass murder in Libya. The whole of the action against Syria under Obama was illegal. But who cares? Ditto for Yemen.
The U.S. has been one of the world's most brutal empires almost from its founding. And they all kid themselves they are sweethearts, and the world loves them.
Trump weak spot is, probably, that his is the most likely to fan the anger into rebellion. At a minimum, he is the one most likely to end the big kill on American democracy.
 
sorry - by saying Trump would end the big kill, I did not mean he would stop it. I mean he would fire the final shots, and complete the destruction.
 
What happened to Trump being accused of raping a 13 year old? And the charges of sexual assault by other women?

and
What happened to the recounting of votes in three (or four) states?
 
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