TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?

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How do I feel ... isle and isolated from authorities ... is that humble enough? Perhaps an illusion of hope ... and dreams this HS would go way!
 
monk said:
I am following this election - like other people follow other rather bizarre reality TV shows - that's all it is - fake reality - it's a game to try to distract me - from 'knowing' what is really going on - behind the scenes - that is what I am really interested in.
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Isn't this pretty much what all elections have come to? And politics? And media reporting of "issues"? How do we address that?
 
I saw a Pew Research survey reported today. It says that 11% of Donald Trump's supporters will be either disappointed or angry - if he wins! That's among his supporters. That's bizarre.
 
revsdd said:
I saw a Pew Research survey reported today. It says that 11% of Donald Trump's supporters will be either disappointed or angry - if he wins! That's among his supporters. That's bizarre.
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Protest voters voting Trump to "make a statement" rather than because they actually like him, perhaps? If so, it just shows how stupid protest voting is.
 
If there were 2 candidates and the one that the protest vote was going to, even by default, was actually better that's a different story. I really don't think that's the case this time around. It was the case in our past election, where there were at least two other viable and sane alternatives, with ABC (and even Harper would've been better comparatively than what is happening in the U.S. - he was sane even if not preferable - he looks like a downright benevolent socialist next to Trump), but this is different and the process is different. The third party candidates are nowhere near being elected.
 
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If it's a protest vote, then they are likely following the reasoning that by voting for the most dysfunctional candidate, they can show how dysfunctional the system is. Or something like that. Protest votes baffle me because all they usually do is screw over the best, not the worst, candidates.
 
In our elections though - if the choice is between 2 potential parties winning and either are imperfect but they're both sane enough to keep the country from falling into chaos, then protest votes that don't really go anywhere aren't going to do harm. If it were between say, Clinton and Romney - not as stark a choice. I realize that in our past election ABC was the protest. And I guess it worked. But the U.S. Is different.
 
One way or the other the next POTUS is going to inherit the biggest economic problems that the nation has ever faced.
It is going to take a miracle of Biblical proportions to turn the U.S. economy in the right direction.
 
The people with power, the multi-billionaires, don't care about the economic problems of the U.S. They're increasingly free to act as their like and put their money into almost any country in the world. Nor is there the slightest chance that any congress will permit a president to contain them - nor would any president attempt it.
 
Graeme Decarie said:
The people with power, the multi-billionaires, don't care about the economic problems of the U.S. They're increasingly free to act as their like and put their money into almost any country in the world. Nor is there the slightest chance that any congress will permit a president to contain them - nor would any president attempt it.
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That is why I keep bringing up AIPEC - I am hearing that they are controlling Congress - You would know more about it than I - connecting dots in this insanity is becoming quite overwhelming - is this significant or not to your way of reading the big picture?

Okay ... reread your statement and it appears that the multi-billionaires are controlling AIPEC ?
 
America’s political system is so broken and divided that the strongest factor driving voters’ decisions is that their candidate is not the other candidate. According to Pew:

“This ‘opposition as support’ takes place in the context of an election campaign that is far more likely to be viewed in negative than positive terms: Majorities of Americans describe themselves as ‘frustrated’ and ‘disgusted’ with the campaign, while few declare themselves ‘interested,’ ‘optimistic’ or ‘excited.’ And these negative takes have only become more widespread over the course of the summer.”

With so many voters casting a ballot against both Trump and Clinton, you’d think independents and third-party candidates would have a strong shot at competing in this election, but that isn’t the case. Though between Libertarian Gary Johnson and Green Party candidate Jill Stein, there is a higher level of support for other options now than in recent memory, these candidates are written off by the media as simply spoiler candidates who can either help or hinder the chances of Hillary or Trump.

Despite third-party candidates’ immense popularity, the Commission on Presidential Debates has barred them from participating in the highly-anticipated debates. The first takes place tonight and, coincidentally, is governed by operatives from the Republican and Democratic parties. This is despite the fact that 50 percent of Americans favor the inclusion of Gary Johnson and Jill Stein in the debates. This is because in the United States, voting isn’t about choosing someone you agree with anymore, it’s about not choosing someone you don’t agree with — and that should be a wake up call to us all.
This article (Wake up Call, America: The Real Reason People Are Voting for Hillary and Trump) is free and open source.
 
Graeme Decarie said:
The people with power, the multi-billionaires, don't care about the economic problems of the U.S. They're increasingly free to act as their like and put their money into almost any country in the world. Nor is there the slightest chance that any congress will permit a president to contain them - nor would any president attempt it.
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Thus the eco nomi travels ...
 
monk said:
That is why I keep bringing up AIPEC - I am hearing that they are controlling Congress - You would know more about it than I - connecting dots in this insanity is becoming quite overwhelming - is this significant or not to your way of reading the big picture?

Okay ... reread your statement and it appears that the multi-billionaires are controlling AIPEC ?
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Can one read the big one when enthralled with small stuff ... grasping every mite ...
 
monk said:
One way or the other the next POTUS is going to inherit the biggest economic problems that the nation has ever faced.
It is going to take a miracle of Biblical proportions to turn the U.S. economy in the right direction.
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Ok poof!
Everyone's American
Pragmatic
And optimistic
(Since economy = resources + psychology) time to get rid of those pessimistic slavs n Brits :3
Or poof!
Everyone's Buddhist
Make Earth Great: thr power of positive thinking
(part of me thinks that this whole thing...wikileaks edward snowden russia war syria is all part of a plot to get us all to be cynical and pessimistic thereby causing global collapse...nua ha ha...remember conspiracy means to share breath with...)
 
He called her Secretary Clinton for a couple of reasons, I think - to offset the sexist reputation he has (from the things he has actually said), and as a reinforcement that she was Secretary of State when she made the mistakes he wants to focus on. And "secretary" has a different meaning in his world...there's that little nuance. He was trying not to be insulting by pointing out that he decided not to mention things that would hurt Hillary and her family (although I am sure she was quite prepared if he did) and I think that's really the best restraint he's capable of when his ego gets hurt. But he has to announce how good his temperament is, anyway - because it's hard to see with his actual behaviour, but we should believe him anyway. He's very childish.

And I don't think they are in the same league. If it's for show, Donald made it a show, unfortunately.
 
The aren't both in the same league. They're both in the same gutter. This is an absurd campaign. Neither of them can be believed. Neither of them has a credible policy. Politics is no just having 'neat' ideas. Politics requires a person (but seldom gets one) who has a moral sense to see that he or she is dealing with a whole society - and you don't do that with a couple of neat ideas.
The US has a class of people who pay no tax whatever. Nobody knows how much that costs the American people, though it's certainly somewhere in the hundreds of billions every year. I would be astonished if Trump pays any. And I'm sure that Hillary pays little, as well. That's what foundations are for - avoiding taxes.
They are both examples of the profound rot in American public life and American democracy.
They fundamental problem in the U.S. - and not just the U.S. - is that the very wealthy have been allowed to run wild. And they have increased poverty in the U.S. and all over the world. The same is true of the Canadian wealthy,.
Our mode of capitalism does not spread wealth. It spreads poverty wherever it touches. That's been true all over Africa, South America ...it's happening in Europe and the U.S. and Canada. The very wealthy take everything, and give nothing. That's been true of empires for the last 500 years. And it's now spread beyond empires.
Greed has inflicted enormous damage on this earth - and we're watching it now turned on full force. The wealthy don't care how many they murder or displace or starve. And the U.S. election won't change that.
This is not an election to take seriously. We're living through a period in which the very, very wealthy are conquering and looting the world. And Trump and Clinton are both fronts for money that is much bigger than theirs.
 
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