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Kimmio, did you notice that in your reply about racism, you did not mention a single case of it on our side - except for Trump appealing to white superiority? I suggest you look more closely at Obama, Britain, a bit at Canada.

Where is proof of the numbers of deaths that Obama is responsible for? What a bizarre question! Haven't you wondered why that hasn't appeared in the papers? Are you assuming Obama wouldn't do such a thing? And if it's all the fault of generals, could you name a few - withi evidence?

Obama has authorized the bombing of Syria by the U.S. 300,000 children, at least, are dead. Can you believe that not one was killed by Obama's bombers? He has cut off food and medical supplies to Yemen. Do you think children in Yemen can survive on sand? He is killing every day with drones. Nobody knows who or how many are killed because Obama won't tell the press - and it doesn't ask. Obama supplies the bombs that Saudi Arabia is using to destroy hospitals and schools in Yemen. So is Britain.
And Canada is supplying armoured cars. The U.S. has deliberately bombed hospitals in Obama's term. Amnesty International has told us that. He has approved the use of special ops to kill environmental activists in South America. He is reopening the assault on Libya.

But I know. You won't believe any of this because Obama hasn't officially anounced it.
And why does he feel justified in killing these people? Because they're different from him. That's what is called racism.
And why won't you believe he would do such a thing - partly because you don't care - and partly because you're a ------.
 
Kimmio said:
Where is proof of the high numbers of kids' deaths you cite, that Obama is responsible for?
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Seriously? @Kimmio

Kimmio said:
Again, the generals call the shots.
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Since Barack Obama has been in the White House, high ranking military officers have been removed from their positions at a rate that is absolutely unprecedented. Things have gotten so bad that a number of retired generals are publicly speaking out about the “purge” of the U.S. military that they believe is taking place. Dozens of highly decorated military leaders have been dismissed from their positions over the past few years.

So why is this happening? @Kimmio
A deliberate attempt to “reshape” the military and remove those that don’t adhere to the proper “viewpoints”? @Kimmio
Does someone out there feel a need to get officers that won’t “cooperate” out of the way? @Kimmio

Forget about Trump's 'base'.

Did you point guns at people or threaten them with violence today? @Kimmio

There are two ways statism can end: a violent collapse or a peaceful transition.

Current government systems are clearly unsustainable.

If we do not start paying attention and facing up to our problems we are headed for sudden failures of systems that many of us depend on.

While it would be nice to be able to push a button and instantly end all coercion in the world , such a button does not exist.

Where there is revolution without evolution of thought, there is a power vacuum.

Instead of provoking instability, we should encourage self-government to fill the void.

Localization is dismantling governments from the top down.

The alternative to localization is to fight inch by inch, law by law as politicians laughingly pat us on the head for engaging in the political process.

We will not achieve a free society by begging governments for freedom.

We could do it by demanding immediate restoration of power to our communities.

The first places to embrace this strategy will lead the world toward freedom.

They will be the most prosperous and most secure.

It is crucial to reverse the trend of consolidation of power as soon as possible.

The longer we wait the more difficult it will be.

Or we can sit back, wait for the collapse and hope our governments spare us in their violent death throes as they cling to power.
 
I'm a what, Graeme? Never mind. Are you resorting to personal name calling on here now? :(


If there's a case that can be made for unjust use of force by the U.S. In Syria then I think those in the military who strategize and order the attacks should be on trial. The president entrusts decisions to them because he can't be everywhere and know everything at once. With everything happening in the world that is not humanly possible.

Graeme, there is no reason to believe, however horrific the events in Syria are, that Obama's motivations are racist. You can argue that they are many bad things - you can argue that he wanted loss of civilian life I will argue not - but I do not think racism as a motivation is a valid argument.

However, the racist forces that have impeded Obama's effectiveness as president were overt, deliberate, and calculated - racism! And Trump had a big hand in that. Pardon the pun.
 
You know how countries end up with despotic authoritarian leaders who mass murder their own citizens? ...racist, tribalist, sexist, caste/ class bulls**t, that's how. And they tap into that sentiment in the populous.
 
No monk, I did not and would not ever own a gun or threaten anyone.

There's a third way...peaceful collapse. I prefer peaceful transition. I am not anti-government, though. I am anti-racism, anti-sexism, anti-ableism, anti-poverty, pro-democracy. I think we need fair government to achieve that. I am not libertarian. I think it is a whackadoodle philosophy. The two ethical pillars of libertarianism are defence of property, and freedom to do anything unless it involves violence - so racism, sexism, ableism, overt discrimination, are all allowed in the name of individual "freedom" if they are not "coerced". Which is bulls**t because it says nothing of the psychological and hierarchical oppression that results from that kind of "freedom" of every man for himself. It's a selfish and aggressive philosophy. And I say "man" because the majority of libertarians are white men. It has shades of anarchy but it is not even anarchy. It's something sinister that sounds well intentioned but isn't. It justifies the use of arms to defend those freedoms - which, essentially, is what the U.S. is doing or thinks it is doing in the world - it's very libertarian on a global scale when you apply the pillars of libertarianism. I do not agree with the use of force where diplomacy is an option. That should always be a priority. But when diplomacy fails and people are being mass murdered in their own countries and they long for the freedoms and priveleges we have in the west - because we live in a global village - then I don't know how that is achieved without force or without any civilian death. In many cases the people want military assistance from outside countries to stop civil wars within their countries and are prepared to accept the risk. Obama hired (or he hired people who did the hiring) ground forces within Syria to take on Assad and it didn't work. I do not know that his motivations were anything other than trying to free the Syrian people from Assad.
 
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And I say "man" because the majority of libertarians are white men.
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Had to look that one up.
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Based on this, you're correct Kimmio - most Libertarians are white men - and wealthy, young, well-educated, Independent, white men at that. Course, that doesn't really explain why you're describing the less-wealthy, old, poorly-educated, Democrat, black women who are Libertarians as being "white men," does it.
 
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Had to look that one up.
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Based on this, you're correct Kimmio - most Libertarians are white men - and wealthy, young, well-educated, Independent, white men at that. Course, that doesn't really explain why you're describing the less-wealthy, old, poorly-educated, Democrat, black women who are Libertarians as being "white men," does it.
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There are a few. But it is a philosophy started and largely perpetuated by white men. Read the article I posted a few posts up.
 
I wasn't name-calling. I was defining. We have to know what words mean. We are racist. Not just you. WE. To react against people different from us is quite natural. And we commonly justify our dislike by seeing out differences as genetic. So we get posts that say Muslims did this cruel thing, lower class people do this, communists do this - in all cases we attribute evil to the things that make them different from us.

As to unjust force, any interference by the U.S. in Syria is unjust under the law. You cannot, despite American claims to exceptionalism just invade anybody you please. Nor can you finance and equip a rebellion - as the U.S. did in Syria. Nor can you send in drones or bombers. These are war crimes. They are war crimes even if you don't kill babies - and the US did.
That's what we hanged naziis for.
In Yemen, the U.S. is blocking food supplies. and medical. Doctors without borders has made many complaints about that. It's an illegal act of war. It's also a war crime tosubmit a whole nation to starvation.
It was also illegal to invade Iraq - and so the murder of over a million people is a huge war crime. Why do American make no fuss about that? Because the million dead look and dress differently from them.
And for despotic governments who attack their own people, how about the U.S. with its persecution of blacks, Chinese, Japanese, Latins, Jews... Canada has a similar record. People didn't get excited about those until it got fashionalbe to be excited.

Can I give you a count of how many civilians and children have been killed by the U.S. in the last 50 years? No. Out governments don't say. And our news media don't ask. (see, says kimmio, no proof).
I worked with people who were researching the holocaust, the Vietnam war, Syria... There are few documents. Estimates of the dead in Vietnam? Officially, it's in the hundreds of thousands. Those who study it say it's 4 million or more - mostly civilians.
US bombing is usually carpet bombing. That is, the bombers cover ALL of a region and kill everything down there. The bombs don't turn aside for babies. Both Iraq and Syria have seen concentrated bombing of civilians.
But you won't believe, Kimmio. You'll just say people never told Obama what was going on. He thought they were dropping food and medecine and Bibles.
 
Oh, don't assume that racism means one hates people because of their assumed race. It also means creating hatred among people to hold them to another cause - and so Hitler held people loyal to his wars by developing an existing hatred of Jews.
Bush and Obama (and Clinton) are fighting wars to make American billionaires richer. But people won't fight for that. So such, Obama and Clinton have all peddled hatred and fear of Muslims.
Racism is also useful to absolve ourselves from blame in the indiscriminate mass murders we carry out all over the world.
Russians were once evil because they were communists. But they became capitalists. So now they're evil because they're Russians.
Poor Obama. He was president for eight years, and never knew he was killing people.
 
Obama wanted to free the Syrian people from their evil government and bring them freedom. A.a.a.ah
So why didn't he invade Saudi Arabia? Why doesn't he invade The Pillippines?
And where did you get the information that the Syrian people were crying for freedom?
Yes, the U.S. invades only bring freedom to people. That's why it has never forgiven Cuba for overthrowing all those nice, American dictators who made it so happy. That's why it overthrew the elected government Guatemal many years ago to install a dictator., and that's why it later oversaw the murder of 300,000 Guatemala civilians. Freedom, yes. That's why the U.S. has cut food stamps for its underfed. it makes them freer. That's why it invaded Vietnam - to bring it freedom. Why, it loves freedom so much it even helped overthrow the elected government of Egypt to put the army back in power.
The U.S. has a history of creating dictatorships all over the world.
Sing me another chorus of God Bless America.
 
Someone should sell a poppy that means "Over and over again and again".

Graeme do you think the army is in charge in the USA?
 
No. I think big money is in charge. But part of that big money is the arms industry, and that does overlap a great deal with with army. Nor is Canada outside the magic circle. We have a growing arms industry. Alarm bells should have gone off when Trudeau allowed a Canadian company to sell armoured cars to Saudi Arabia. We had signed an international agreement not to do that. But Justin approved it without a whimper. And the news media didn't say boo.
 
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No. I think big money is in charge. But part of that big money is the arms industry, and that does overlap a great deal with with army. Nor is Canada outside the magic circle. We have a growing arms industry. Alarm bells should have gone off when Trudeau allowed a Canadian company to sell armoured cars to Saudi Arabia. We had signed an international agreement not to do that. But Justin approved it without a whimper. And the news media didn't say boo.
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I hope you brought that up in one of your columns! War is such a vicious hypocritical circle. I don't know if you watched the videos I posted but it really brings more of a reality into the inhumane aspect of involving civilians and children within this barbarism. After watching those videos, I am amazed how the children continue.
 
Oh, Yes. I have mentioned it in my blogs. It's hard to keep up because there's so much our news media don't tell us. I did watch the videos. That barbarity has always been a part of war - a by-product. But the in the 20th century, mass murder of civilians, including children, became the standard method of conducting war.
 
Kimmio, the parties have nothing to do with it. The Republicans and Democrats are much the same party except some Republicans are more vicious. Both parties are financed by and answerable to big business.
As to fighting wars to bring people freedom, I can't think of a single case in all of history in which such a thing has ever happened. Generally, people have to fight their own wars for freedom.
If Syria had no oil (or if it had oil but refused to sell it to Russia) this war would never have happened. There was no uprisinig of the Syrian people. The "rebel" army was largely of mercenaries, paid by the U.S. And it's no secret that ISIS is largely financed and supplied by the U.S.
All empires are evil. The U.S. was founded by British imperialists who destroyed most of the native peoples. After the U.S. revolution, the U.S. became the new imperial power, conquering the land that is now the U.S., trying to conquer Canada, and conquering most of South America. Since 1900, the U.S. empire has been spreading overseas, murdering as it goes.
Freedom and democracy have nothing to do with it.
In any case, the U.S. is not a democracy. It's also a country in which secret police monitor every word and action, in which people can legally be jailed with no charge or trial, where those born in poverty have almost no chance of getting out of it.
That's not freedom.
And I know of no evidence that any U.S. government in history has ever given a damn about freedom and democracy in other countries.
 
Yes, racism is bigotry based on race. Based on the conscious belief that becomes subconsciously systemic when accepted by enough people who put it into practice in public policy (legal or implied), but often overt still, especially when people like Trump encourage racist behaviour - that one race is inferior to another, and, like all other forms of bigotry, is based on things one has no choice about - it is insidious.
 
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