What Does It Mean To Fall From Grace ?

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If "anyone and everyone can choose to believe" then God has given the potential gift to anyone and everyone, and it's up to us, therefore, to take the first step.

I believe that would depend on what you mean by "the first step." God created us, sustained us, set his Son to die for us, raised him to life to conquer death, and calls us to salvation via the Spirit.

Neo said:
If, however, God is in total control of when and if we ever take that first step, then we are nothing but mindless puppets in a world we have no control over.

We are naturally spiritually dead, in bondage to sin, and following the ways of the world, the flesh, and the devil. However, because of his love for us, God gives some of us new life in Christ.

Neo said:
We could hardly be made in the image of God if we have no free will over how we direct our own lives.

I believe we have enough freedom to choose to accept Jesus Christ. There is no condition on God to give salvation. However, there is one condition on us to receive it - we must believe.
 
I believe that would depend on what you mean by "the first step." God created us, sustained us, set his Son to die for us, raised him to life to conquer death, and calls us to salvation via the Spirit.

We are naturally spiritually dead, in bondage to sin, and following the ways of the world, the flesh, and the devil. However, because of his love for us, God gives some of us new life in Christ.

I believe we have enough freedom to choose to accept Jesus Christ. There is no condition on God to give salvation. However, there is one condition on us to receive it - we must believe.
The "first step" is to believe and have faith in something other than our worldly flesh. The next step(s) is to accept and seek, or "receive" as you say it, the Christ Consciousness inherent within us. The Christ Consciousness is the same thing as the Soul Consciousness, which is the same thing as the Group Consciousness of the Human Soul.
 
Neo ----Please get this there are different kinds of Faith all faith comes from God ---God at birth has given us intellectual Faith only ----there is Saving Faith --we get that through reading and hearing God's word -----There is strong Faith ---there is wavering Faith -----so which Faith are you talking about ----the Book of James is part of God's Spiritual Book it very well explains the different Kinds of Faiths ----

You are in fact disconnected from the God I follow cause you follow a different god ----that is your choice to do so -----you can't be connected to 2 gods and serve both gods with your intellectual faith that wavers back and forth with self trying to get results -----intellectual faith is dead faith ---

So which Faith Neo do you have below---keeping in Mind that Bible Faith comes from Hearing --reading God's word -----we are all born with intellectual Faith from God ----which is guided by the 5 senses only ------what you see --feel --touch ---taste and smell ----Bible Faith relies on the Unseen not the 5 senses -----it comes from the heart not the head -----

http://www.trusting-in-jesus.com/levelsoffaith.html ---Read all here
"Levels of Faith"
As Recorded in the Bible


The Bible has a lot to say about different levels of faith. While some types of faith are somewhat related, others are distinctly different, with names such as, common, great, genuine, and one we all hope to avoid, wavering.

Christian faith is based upon God's promises, rather than feelings, or things visible. Great faith holds fast regardless of outward appearances.

"And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform," (Rom 4:18-22).
The one who truly believes and has faith, will act on God's Word, with perfect assurance that his request will be granted.
(Click for Definition of Faith)

"Common Faith"
A faith commonly or mutually shared by all Christians, that believes mankind can find salvation and eternal life through Jesus Christ the Messiah, Savior of the world.
In Titus 1:4, it is referred to as, "common faith;"
"Titus, a true son in our common faith..."
In Romans 1:12, The Apostle Paul uses the word, "mutual faith"
"That is, that I may be encouraged together with you by the mutual faith both of you and me."
"Weak Faith"
"And not being weak in faith, he did not consider his own body, already dead (since he was about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah’s womb," (Rom.4:19.
"Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. 2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables," (Rom 14:1-3).
Examples from the Bible of weakness in faith, were of those who considered it a sin to eat meat. In our day, a person weak in faith might continually argue over areas of the Bible he/she does not properly understand, but has formed a personal opinion.
For someone to constantly forbid and condemn the things he considers to be sin, when there is no clear leading in scripture, would be sin.
"But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not eat from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin," (Rom 14:23).
A person of little faith will find limited opportunities to benefit from the Gospel, and very little of the peace and joy that should accompany the Christian life.
Those who are strong in faith are told to accept the weak:

"We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves," (Rom 15:1).
"Great Faith"
An unrelenting, totally persuaded type of faith, that does not give up until the request is granted.

A Centurion who had asked Jesus to heal his sick child, and whose faith was so great that he said,

“Lord, I am not worthy that You should come under my roof. But only speak a word, and my servant will be healed." "When Jesus heard it, He marveled, and said to those who followed, “Assuredly, I say to you, I have not found such great faith, not even in Israel!" (Matt 8:8-10)
And there was the woman from Canaan, a Gentile, (not a Jew). The Gentiles as a rule, had very little, if any faith in God.
This woman requested Jesus to heal her severely demon-possessed daughter. When Jesus refused, saying that He had only been sent to the Jews, she persisted, and demonstrated a faith so great that it brought the following response from Jesus:
“...O woman, great is your faith! Let it be to you as you desire..." (Matt 15:21-28).
Great faith will always move God to answer.



"Genuine Faith"This kind of faith permits no deception, pretense, charlatans, or braggarts. It is a genuine and sincere faith that flows from a true heart, with the desire to do what is right.
"when I call to remembrance the genuine faith that is in you, which dwelt first in your grandmother Lois and your mother Eunice, and I am persuaded is in you also."
(2 Tim 1:5)


Neo this Faith below is doing God's word -----not our word -----

"Active Faith"


"Doer of the Word," (James 2:14-26; Heb. 10:19-38).


This is the level of faith that goes into action, as the Word of God is understood. It is actively doing and living in faith, as though the things requested of God, although not yet seen, are a reality. Active faith is a requirement for receiving from God.
Answered prayer is perhaps the greatest faith building experience possible. How great to pray to Almighty God, and to have Him answer. This is God's plan, and it can happen to each and every child of God.
"If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you,"
(John 15:7).
“I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing." (John 15:5).
According to 2 Cor 5:17, anyone in Christ is a new creation; old things have passed away; all things have become new.
You must become aware of your new life in Christ.
You have the Spirit of Jesus within you, as well as His love and nature. His power flows through you to bear much fruit. Jesus died to make this possible. Cling to His promises, allow His Words to give you the faith to ask and receive.
Do not waste these benefits, be a doer and not a hearer only. Being in Christ gives you the right to act on the Word in order to bear fruit in obedience to Jesus. Faith is a mighty force that knows no defeat.

"Faith without Works"


"But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works," (James 2:18).
A faith without works passively believes and accepts the Bible literally, but without action. Many people believe and have faith that God can do all His Word says. They believe in miracles, yet fail to act on His Word.

"Unwavering Faith"


Sincere, Unbendable - (opposite of wavering) - To believe God without question.

"Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful." (Heb. 10:23).
Unwavering faith is to count those things that be not as though they are, (Rom.4:17; Mark 11:22-24).
There is no need for God's Children to be trapped in fear, weakness, poverty, or despair.
In order to receive from God we must believe and hold to our faith without wavering, (Heb 10:23).
"But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind. 7 For let not that man suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord; 8 he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways," (James 1:6-8).
All things are possible with God, nothing is beyond His power. Unwavering faith gives thanks for the answer from the moment it asks, then looks forward to it's fulfillment with child-like expectation.
When you really believe, you have acted. The act of believing is a necessary step in getting what you want from God. Faith is action, in counting those things that be not as though they were (Rom 4:17; Mark 11:22-24).

Comment
:
"Having an unwavering faith and trust in God is crucial to sustaining self control, rebuking fear, standing on the Words of the Gospel in faith, working through love. Faith, hope, love and trust compliment each other. When brought into a relationship with God, in complete devotion, inevitably makes the Christian believer a powerhouse for God, with many miracles.Mike: Australia

"Wavering Faith"

"To bend," "to be insincere,"

James encourages believers to put their faith in action: "But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed," For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord." he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways, (James 1:5-7, KJV).
A wavering faith is one that doubts, and is unstable in all his ways. Unbelief is either refusing to act, or ignorance of the Word of God. Regardless of how impossible the situation the answer is, unwavering faith.
A wavering level of faith is also double-mindedness, which means, "two souled," a constant changing of the mind, (Vines).

A double-minded person cannot maintain a consistent course of action, but wavers back and forth, both in faith, and in their actual requests of God. Their double-mindedness prevents them from holding tightly to their requests until they have received the answer.

"Little Faith"

Fearful, displaying a lack of total trust; was used by the Lord as a tender rebuke for anxiety and fear." (Vine's Complete Expository Dictionary)
"if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will He not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?" (Matt 6:30)

"But He said to them, “Why are you fearful, O you of little faith?” Then He arose and rebuked the winds and the sea, and there was a great calm, (Matt 8:26).
"Faith Without Root"
Jesus spoke of having faith without root. It is the kind that springs up quickly, and beautifully, but because it has no depth, fails just as quickly when temptation and trials come along. For the most part this is because the soil has not been properly prepared by digging and searching for knowledge, guidance, and truth, in God's Word.
"...the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away" (Luke 8:13).

"Historical Faith"

Jesus used the Scripture from the Old Testament as one of four witnesses, to prove that He was the Messiah, the "Son of God:"
"You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me,"
(John 5:39).
The scriptures Jesus used to persuade the Jews will also speak to modern day man. Fulfilled prophecy and manuscripts, such as the Dead Sea Scrolls, provide proof that Jesus was who He claimed to be.
Historical levels of faith are bound to the records contained in Gods Word. The proof is there for anyone willing to do the research.

"Strong Faith"

"He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God,"(Rom 4:20).
Abraham had a faith that refused to surrender or be defeated. Following the faith of Abraham is the way to receive what might be considered impossible and unprecedented.
Strong faith will not be turned away. Regardless of the situation or outlook, it digs in and holds fast until it receives what has been asked of God.


Neo ---there is a lot to learn just following one God ----trying to mix gods is fruitless in my view
 
Neo ----Please get this there are different kinds of Faith all faith comes from God ---God at birth has given us intellectual Faith only ----there is Saving Faith --we get that through reading and hearing God's word -----There is strong Faith ---there is wavering Faith -----so which Faith are you talking about ----the Book of James is part of God's Spiritual Book it very well explains the different Kinds of Faiths ----

You are in fact disconnected from the God I follow cause you follow a different god ----that is your choice to do so -----you can't be connected to 2 gods and serve both gods with your intellectual faith that wavers back and forth with self trying to get results -----intellectual faith is dead faith ---

So which Faith Neo do you have below---keeping in Mind that Bible Faith comes from Hearing --reading God's word -----we are all born with intellectual Faith from God ----which is guided by the 5 senses only ------what you see --feel --touch ---taste and smell ----Bible Faith relies on the Unseen not the 5 senses -----it comes from the heart not the head -----

http://www.trusting-in-jesus.com/levelsoffaith.html ---Read all here
"Levels of Faith"
As Recorded in the Bible


The Bible has a lot to say about different levels of faith. While some types of faith are somewhat related, others are distinctly different, with names such as, common, great, genuine, and one we all hope to avoid, wavering.

Christian faith is based upon God's promises, rather than feelings, or things visible. Great faith holds fast regardless of outward appearances.

"And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform," (Rom 4:18-22).
The one who truly believes and has faith, will act on God's Word, with perfect assurance that his request will be granted.
(Click for Definition of Faith)

"Common Faith"
A faith commonly or mutually shared by all Christians, that believes mankind can find salvation and eternal life through Jesus Christ the Messiah, Savior of the world.
In Titus 1:4, it is referred to as, "common faith;"
"Titus, a true son in our common faith..."
In Romans 1:12, The Apostle Paul uses the word, "mutual faith"
"That is, that I may be encouraged together with you by the mutual faith both of you and me."
"Weak Faith"
"And not being weak in faith, he did not consider his own body, already dead (since he was about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah’s womb," (Rom.4:19.
"Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. 2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables," (Rom 14:1-3).
Examples from the Bible of weakness in faith, were of those who considered it a sin to eat meat. In our day, a person weak in faith might continually argue over areas of the Bible he/she does not properly understand, but has formed a personal opinion.
For someone to constantly forbid and condemn the things he considers to be sin, when there is no clear leading in scripture, would be sin.
"But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not eat from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin," (Rom 14:23).
A person of little faith will find limited opportunities to benefit from the Gospel, and very little of the peace and joy that should accompany the Christian life.
Those who are strong in faith are told to accept the weak:

"We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves," (Rom 15:1).
"Great Faith"
An unrelenting, totally persuaded type of faith, that does not give up until the request is granted.

A Centurion who had asked Jesus to heal his sick child, and whose faith was so great that he said,

“Lord, I am not worthy that You should come under my roof. But only speak a word, and my servant will be healed." "When Jesus heard it, He marveled, and said to those who followed, “Assuredly, I say to you, I have not found such great faith, not even in Israel!" (Matt 8:8-10)
And there was the woman from Canaan, a Gentile, (not a Jew). The Gentiles as a rule, had very little, if any faith in God.
This woman requested Jesus to heal her severely demon-possessed daughter. When Jesus refused, saying that He had only been sent to the Jews, she persisted, and demonstrated a faith so great that it brought the following response from Jesus:
“...O woman, great is your faith! Let it be to you as you desire..." (Matt 15:21-28).
Great faith will always move God to answer.



"Genuine Faith"This kind of faith permits no deception, pretense, charlatans, or braggarts. It is a genuine and sincere faith that flows from a true heart, with the desire to do what is right.
"when I call to remembrance the genuine faith that is in you, which dwelt first in your grandmother Lois and your mother Eunice, and I am persuaded is in you also."
(2 Tim 1:5)


Neo this Faith below is doing God's word -----not our word -----

"Active Faith"


"Doer of the Word," (James 2:14-26; Heb. 10:19-38).


This is the level of faith that goes into action, as the Word of God is understood. It is actively doing and living in faith, as though the things requested of God, although not yet seen, are a reality. Active faith is a requirement for receiving from God.
Answered prayer is perhaps the greatest faith building experience possible. How great to pray to Almighty God, and to have Him answer. This is God's plan, and it can happen to each and every child of God.
"If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you,"
(John 15:7).
“I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing." (John 15:5).
According to 2 Cor 5:17, anyone in Christ is a new creation; old things have passed away; all things have become new.
You must become aware of your new life in Christ.
You have the Spirit of Jesus within you, as well as His love and nature. His power flows through you to bear much fruit. Jesus died to make this possible. Cling to His promises, allow His Words to give you the faith to ask and receive.
Do not waste these benefits, be a doer and not a hearer only. Being in Christ gives you the right to act on the Word in order to bear fruit in obedience to Jesus. Faith is a mighty force that knows no defeat.

"Faith without Works"


"But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works," (James 2:18).
A faith without works passively believes and accepts the Bible literally, but without action. Many people believe and have faith that God can do all His Word says. They believe in miracles, yet fail to act on His Word.

"Unwavering Faith"


Sincere, Unbendable - (opposite of wavering) - To believe God without question.

"Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful." (Heb. 10:23).
Unwavering faith is to count those things that be not as though they are, (Rom.4:17; Mark 11:22-24).
There is no need for God's Children to be trapped in fear, weakness, poverty, or despair.
In order to receive from God we must believe and hold to our faith without wavering, (Heb 10:23).
"But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind. 7 For let not that man suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord; 8 he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways," (James 1:6-8).
All things are possible with God, nothing is beyond His power. Unwavering faith gives thanks for the answer from the moment it asks, then looks forward to it's fulfillment with child-like expectation.
When you really believe, you have acted. The act of believing is a necessary step in getting what you want from God. Faith is action, in counting those things that be not as though they were (Rom 4:17; Mark 11:22-24).

Comment
:
"Having an unwavering faith and trust in God is crucial to sustaining self control, rebuking fear, standing on the Words of the Gospel in faith, working through love. Faith, hope, love and trust compliment each other. When brought into a relationship with God, in complete devotion, inevitably makes the Christian believer a powerhouse for God, with many miracles.Mike: Australia

"Wavering Faith"

"To bend," "to be insincere,"

James encourages believers to put their faith in action: "But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed," For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord." he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways, (James 1:5-7, KJV).
A wavering faith is one that doubts, and is unstable in all his ways. Unbelief is either refusing to act, or ignorance of the Word of God. Regardless of how impossible the situation the answer is, unwavering faith.
A wavering level of faith is also double-mindedness, which means, "two souled," a constant changing of the mind, (Vines).

A double-minded person cannot maintain a consistent course of action, but wavers back and forth, both in faith, and in their actual requests of God. Their double-mindedness prevents them from holding tightly to their requests until they have received the answer.

"Little Faith"

Fearful, displaying a lack of total trust; was used by the Lord as a tender rebuke for anxiety and fear." (Vine's Complete Expository Dictionary)
"if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will He not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?" (Matt 6:30)

"But He said to them, “Why are you fearful, O you of little faith?” Then He arose and rebuked the winds and the sea, and there was a great calm, (Matt 8:26).
"Faith Without Root"
Jesus spoke of having faith without root. It is the kind that springs up quickly, and beautifully, but because it has no depth, fails just as quickly when temptation and trials come along. For the most part this is because the soil has not been properly prepared by digging and searching for knowledge, guidance, and truth, in God's Word.
"...the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away" (Luke 8:13).

"Historical Faith"

Jesus used the Scripture from the Old Testament as one of four witnesses, to prove that He was the Messiah, the "Son of God:"
"You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me,"
(John 5:39).
The scriptures Jesus used to persuade the Jews will also speak to modern day man. Fulfilled prophecy and manuscripts, such as the Dead Sea Scrolls, provide proof that Jesus was who He claimed to be.
Historical levels of faith are bound to the records contained in Gods Word. The proof is there for anyone willing to do the research.

"Strong Faith"

"He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God,"(Rom 4:20).
Abraham had a faith that refused to surrender or be defeated. Following the faith of Abraham is the way to receive what might be considered impossible and unprecedented.
Strong faith will not be turned away. Regardless of the situation or outlook, it digs in and holds fast until it receives what has been asked of God.


Neo ---there is a lot to learn just following one God ----trying to mix gods is fruitless in my view
The only difference between all these faiths you describe is the adjective that precedes them. New born Christians make things far more complex than they really need to be.

I personally believe that I have "strong" faith. And I'm not sure why you keep saying that I believe in many Gods. I understand that there many levels, or "many mansions" of God, but I've always contended that the key to understanding God can be summed up in the words "Unity" and "Oneness". When I speak of the Soul I speak of an aspect of our being that is God-Aware and at-one or a-toned with the Human Soul, which in turn is at-one with God. This is not "mixing gods".

I think the biggest problem you have with my beliefs is that they don't follow the same theology as you. Which is fine by me, because theology is a manmade construct, as are all doctrines and dogmas. The truth, the real and the sacred truth, comes from within, for this is the one and the only place where the Kingdom of God can be found. Religions, theology, doctrines, creeds and dogmas, etc, were all created by man, and are therefore subject to interpretation (and motive). Now don't get me wrong here, many people still need their religions and doctrines, it's how we learn about this inner truth within us. But God, I believe, couldn't care less if you are a Christian, a Hindu or a Buddhist. God only cares, I believe, that you are sincere in your heart, honest in your mind, and detached from the old and outdated. What else is there but theological division? Sincerity, honesty and detachment is the line of least resistance in the art of living. It's with these three attributes that the Spirit within guides us along our way, and these are the only attributes you will "take with" you when you die. Religions are just signposts along the way, but the way itself is carved out with our spirit, mind and body.

 
Hi Neo -- You like the rest of us are just a sinner . If you wanted your choice," you should not have sinned. You come to Christ Jesus if and when God calls you. We all deserve death. But through Christ Jesus has been offered life. Are you saying ,you wish to tell the person giving the gifts . That He has to give you one?
 
I'm not Neo, but I think that anyone who says I, he/she or anyone else "deserves death", is, at best, a loony. For anyone who reads this and thinks to themselves that your words don't sound right, it's because they're insane. And people are going to jump up and down and report me and say that I'm attacking you, and that's fine, but I'm not the one saying that you deserve death. once you do that, to me, you're fair game.

It is a monumentally stupid and abusive belief system that would have you say such a thing. It has literally rotted your brain.
 
Hi Neo -- You like the rest of us are just a sinner . If you wanted your choice," you should not have sinned. You come to Christ Jesus if and when God calls you. We all deserve death. But through Christ Jesus has been offered life. Are you saying ,you wish to tell the person giving the gifts . That He has to give you one?
The "Doctrine of Sin" is one the most deceptive and, in my opinion, the most misguided doctrines the Church has ever come up. It creates nothing but unwarranted guilt and fear in people.

Doctrines such as this were not created by God, they were created by the Roman Catholic Church, a government sponsored religion. This should be your first clue. It's time for religionists to wake up and realize that we've been duped for the last 1500 years into thinking we are born poor miserable sinners who deserve nothing but death, unless, of course, you join "the club" and receive the Christian only gift of salvation. What a bunch of malarkey.
 
The "Doctrine of Sin" is one the most deceptive and, in my opinion, the most misguided doctrines the Church has ever come up. It creates nothing but unwarranted guilt and fear in people.

Airclean--post

God post about sin in His word Neo". You know I use to believe you were not that bad of a guy. My mistake" . I won't make it twice. You can take your belief and flush it . Because that's were something like that belongs.

Neo-post
Doctrines such as this were not created by God, they were created by the Roman Catholic Church, a government sponsored religion. This should be your first clue. It's time for religionists to wake up and realize that we've been duped for the last 1500 years into thinking we are born poor miserable sinners who deserve nothing but death, unless, of course, you join "the club" and receive the Christian only gift of salvation. What a bunch of malarkey.
--How would you know this ? You never said you talk to GOD. Well maybe a god", not thee GOD Father of Jesus The Christ. You were not Born a sinner Neo , you did that all by your self. And I mean by Your Self. You should read more on what the Jews believe . You have a good one now.
 
Neo ----your quote ------I personally believe that I have "strong" faith. And I'm not sure why you keep saying that I believe in many Gods

Strong Faith in what and who Neo ----God's word the Bible or Buddhism or both -----

Neo ---do you not follow ---Maitreya -----this is from gotquestions.org -----can there be 2 Christs Neo?????? ---I don't think so just my view -----this is only one Christ Neo --it is Jesus Christ not Maitreya Christ ----

Read all here Neo ----http://www.gotquestions.org/Maitreya-antichrist.html

Maitreya has been adopted by other belief systems, including the occult organization founded by Mme. Blavatsky in the 1800s, the Theosophical Society. Theosophists consider Maitreya to be a World Teacher and a Christ. Theosophy was one of the forerunners and foundations of the modern New Age movement; therefore, teachings on Maitreya are found in several New Age-based groups today.

Many names are given to Maitreya, including the Christ, the Messiah, Krishna (a Hindu god), and Teacher. Some Muslims believe that Mohammed was Maitreya and some Bahai’s believe that their main prophet, Baha’u’llah', was Maitreya; therefore, both of these groups believe Maitreya has already appeared.

Can there be 2 Messiahs ---my view is NO -----Jesus is the only Messiah ---he came to shed His Blood to forgive all sin ---to free us from sin and the second death ----


You say you are of strong Faith Neo ----so who do you give Glory to ---Maitreya or God of Abraham -----or yourself ----when you act on your strong Faith who gets the Glory for your great results -----

"Strong Faith" "He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God,"(Rom 4:20).




Your Quote Neo ------The "Doctrine of Sin" is one the most deceptive and, in my opinion,----Doctrines such as this were not created by God, they was created by the Roman Catholic Church, a government sponsored religion. This should be your first clue.

it is not the church that brought in the doctrine of Sin Neo --it is written in Scripture which is God's word ---which says it is truth ------just because you don't believe in the sin nature doesn't mean that it doesn't exist -----God says it does ---so your saying you are above God by saying He lies ----Adam and Eve didn't sin and sin nature is not passed on ---Yet your strong in your Faith ---no Faith here Neo just unbelief

So here you call God of Abraham a liar but yet you say you are of strong Faith so again where does your strong Faith lay ---in yourself --in God of the Bible or Maitreya ----

Now here is the other thing ----- putting Faith into action ----is talking about putting God's word into action

"Faith without Works" "But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works," (James 2:18).
A faith without works passively believes and accepts the Bible literally, but without action. Many people believe and have faith that God can do all His Word says. They believe in miracles, yet fail to act on His Word.

This is in my view how this Faith action works -----Did you know that extreme Faith can Kill a person -----Faith requires the right response ---Some people rely solely on God to provide without action -----

For example ----Extreme Faith ----no action on what God provided on the part of the person ----

God says I will supply all your needs --Philippians 4:19 ----Water is a need -----so you go on a long run --it is very hot and your are getting dehydrated --you need some water ----your in the middle of nowhere ----all of a sudden you see a well ---you get to the well and lean against it ---the bucket is there for you to send down to get the needed water ----but you stick with the scripture ---God will provide all my needs so you wait on God to supply you with water ----and don't send the bucket down the well that God did Provide -----you then go on your way running still waiting on God for the water ---you finally keel over and die from thirst ----

God provided the well in the middle of nowhere had all the water you needed but you didn't give the right Faith response ------Faith without action is dead ----
 
The "Doctrine of Sin" is one the most deceptive and, in my opinion, the most misguided doctrines the Church has ever come up. It creates nothing but unwarranted guilt and fear in people.

how do you figure its the Church who came up with sin, when the teachng actually came out of Jesus Mouth
 
Neo ----your quote ------I personally believe that I have "strong" faith. And I'm not sure why you keep saying that I believe in many Gods

Strong Faith in what and who Neo ----God's word the Bible or Buddhism or both -----
I follow God's word wherever and whenever it is published.

Neo ---do you not follow ---Maitreya -----this is from gotquestions.org -----can there be 2 Christs Neo?????? ---I don't think so just my view -----this is only one Christ Neo --it is Jesus Christ not Maitreya Christ ----


Read all here Neo ----http://www.gotquestions.org/Maitreya-antichrist.html

Maitreya has been adopted by other belief systems, including the occult organization founded by Mme. Blavatsky in the 1800s, the Theosophical Society. Theosophists consider Maitreya to be a World Teacher and a Christ. Theosophy was one of the forerunners and foundations of the modern New Age movement; therefore, teachings on Maitreya are found in several New Age-based groups today.

Many names are given to Maitreya, including the Christ, the Messiah, Krishna (a Hindu god), and Teacher. Some Muslims believe that Mohammed was Maitreya and some Bahai’s believe that their main prophet, Baha’u’llah', was Maitreya; therefore, both of these groups believe Maitreya has already appeared.

Can there be 2 Messiahs ---my view is NO -----Jesus is the only Messiah ---he came to shed His Blood to forgive all sin ---to free us from sin and the second death ----


You say you are of strong Faith Neo ----so who do you give Glory to ---Maitreya or God of Abraham -----or yourself ----when you act on your strong Faith who gets the Glory for your great results -----

"Strong Faith" "He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God,"(Rom 4:20).

There is only 1 Christ, the problem arises when it comes to recognition, (just like the last time He appeared through His disciple Jesus). He has "stolen" into our world and most of the people of the world haven't yet awoken to this. At least not yet. It's been said that right wing religionists and bankers will likely be the last ones to recognize and accept Him for what He is. Keep your eyes open and ears open, it may be much sooner than you think that "every eye shall see him". We have the technology to make this happen now.

Also, I don't consider Christ to be God, at least not literally. And neither did he. He said His Father and Him were one, which is different than saying He "is" God.

Tell me Unsafe, do you not believe the words of Maitreya to be those of a modern day Christ because of what He says or because of the idea that Christ is being said to have reappeared outside of the Christian Church? Ask yourself this question honestly. And are you against the main principle of sharing or do you think this is just a ruse, designed to trick you? How would ever know if you were to ever meet Him on the street?

Your Quote Neo ------The "Doctrine of Sin" is one the most deceptive and, in my opinion,----Doctrines such as this were not created by God, they was created by the Roman Catholic Church, a government sponsored religion. This should be your first clue.

it is not the church that brought in the doctrine of Sin Neo --it is written in Scripture which is God's word ---which says it is truth ------just because you don't believe in the sin nature doesn't mean that it doesn't exist -----God says it does ---so your saying you are above God by saying He lies ----Adam and Eve didn't sin and sin nature is not passed on ---Yet your strong in your Faith ---no Faith here Neo just unbelief

So here you call God of Abraham a liar but yet you say you are of strong Faith so again where does your strong Faith lay ---in yourself --in God of the Bible or Maitreya ----
Yes, it was the Church that created this Doctrine based on their interpretation of the Bible. I thought this was a well known fact with everyone.

I personally don't believe the Church's take on the whole Adam and Eve. The "fall from grace" in Genesis was, I believe, a natural event where the Soul of Humanity "fell into generation". But it wasn't because they disobeyed, it was because of thing called the "Law of Cycles".
 
Yet God says your a sinner, Listen to His Son


Matthew 1:21
We are born in sin insomuch that the Soul is trapped in a cycle of life and death, e.g. a world of matter, time and space. It was, however, a natural law that drew the Soul down this path, and it will be another natural law that pulls us out of it.

But the Original Sin the Church preaches is a degrading, guilt ridden and old fashioned doctrine that frankly has done more harm to people down the centuries than any of their other doctrines.
 
We are born in sin

ok agreed. who was the first? (original sin )


But the Original Sin the Church preaches is a degrading, guilt ridden and old fashioned doctrine that frankly has done more harm to people down the centuries than any of their other doctrines.


yet you still agree your a sinner regardless of the Rc's presentation of it that you dislike
 
ok agreed. who was the first? (original sin )
Adam Kadmon?
yet you still agree your a sinner regardless of the Rc's presentation of it that you dislike
I don't care much for the word "sinner", it seems to contain a lot of baggage, but I would agree. And yes, I especially dislike the Roman Catholic Church's "presentation" of this doctrine . Atrocities were committed against "the sinner". And all because they were lost in the mayas of form. Where was the love and the compassion of Christ during these atrocities?
 
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Adam Kadmon?

I don't care much for the word "sinner", it seems to contain a lot of baggage, but I would agree. And yes, I especially dislike the Roman Catholic Church's "presentation" of this doctrine . Atrocities were committed against "the sinner". And all because they were lost in the mayas of form. Where was the love and the compassion of Christ during these atrocities?

alot of atrocities were committed indeed , they used there position in Christ to attain power on earth.


I been watching Tudors lately , its the story of King Henry the V111 of Winchester , it is amazing how much the RC church of thous times were involved with Kings of nations, and the power they had , the christians they burned for not swearing allegiance first to the King, then to the Pope, Jesus was 3 inline.

I wonder where in History was Church and state finally separated , best thing that ever happened
 
We are born in sin insomuch that the Soul is trapped in a cycle of life and death, e.g. a world of matter, time and space. It was, however, a natural law that drew the Soul down this path, and it will be another natural law that pulls us out of it.

But the Original Sin the Church preaches is a degrading, guilt ridden and old fashioned doctrine that frankly has done more harm to people down the centuries than any of their other doctrines.

Jesus was raised Jewish. The Torah does not teach that we are born into sin, but rather free will. The doctrine of original sin tends to negate free will in Jewish opinion.

There is a comforting promise immediately after the sin of Adam and Eve that declares that man can master over his lust for sin:
Genesis 4:6-7
"if you do what is right, will you not be accepted? If though, you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door, it desires to have you, BUT YOU SHALL MASTER OVER IT.'

Read more here:
http://outreachjudaism.org/original-sin/
 
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