Righteous vs Self Righteous

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BetteTheRed said:
You're vegetarian, right, Waterfall? I sympathize with your desire that animals not suffer, but I also think it's something of a denial of the animals we are. We are evolved to be omniverous. As soon as we say "killing any living thing", we've established a line. Insects? Water insects? Trees? Only annual plants really barely escape this category, and even then, did we leave some seeds to make plants for next year?

I think all kinds of cases can be made for eating less meat, for making sure that our meat sources are ethical and sustainable; it's hard for me to see the ethical position that "killing nothing would lead to world peace"...
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Why don't we eat each other if there is no line? The life is in the blood.
 
Waterfall said:
What is your criteria./proof to support this?
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As I said Waterfall, it's my own belief. However, I do feel many others feel along the same lines. As an example, Kretzmann writes, "To cast [sound Christian doctrines] before dogs and swine, before people to whom nothing is sacred, that blaspheme everything holy, is to expose the most sacred beauty to coarseness." Source: http://www.kretzmannproject.org/
 
Pr. Jae said:
As I said Waterfall, it's my own belief. However, I do feel many others feel along the same lines. As an example, Kretzmann writes, "To cast [sound Christian doctrines] before dogs and swine, before people to whom nothing is sacred, that blaspheme everything holy, is to expose the most sacred beauty to coarseness." Source: http://www.kretzmannproject.org/
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You think God needs protection?
 
Jae - I often wonder why people say (as you did) 'I feel .....'. when they really ought to have considered the issue carefully so they can honestly say 'I think....'. feeling and thinking are two very different things. Feeling is about emotions and sensations ( I or it feels soft, scared, hot, puzzled, delighted, threatened etc). Thinking is about facts.
 
KayTheCurler said:
Jae - I often wonder why people say (as you did) 'I feel .....'. when they really ought to have considered the issue carefully so they can honestly say 'I think....'. feeling and thinking are two very different things. Feeling is about emotions and sensations ( I or it feels soft, scared, hot, puzzled, delighted, threatened etc). Thinking is about facts.
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Humans often get feeling and thinking confused as they don't believe they should have knowledge of such sophisticated things --- Sophie-awe! Ain;t the dark comments beautiful as a dark hoer's ... Lo'is Armstrong's voice?

Keep it simple ... rite!
 
KayTheCurler said:
Jae - I often wonder why people say (as you did) 'I feel .....'. when they really ought to have considered the issue carefully so they can honestly say 'I think....'. feeling and thinking are two very different things. Feeling is about emotions and sensations ( I or it feels soft, scared, hot, puzzled, delighted, threatened etc). Thinking is about facts.
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Kay, I use "feel" to indicate that I have reasoned things out mostly on the basis of my personal value system rather than mostly on cold logic.
 
Waterfall said:
Why don't we eat each other if there is no line?
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In a pinch, we occasionally do, cf. the famous Andean plane crash portrayed in the movie Alive. That said, we have definitely drawn a line around ourselves and said "no eating each other" and I think that makes perfect sense from a standpoint of respecting each other's life and keeping the peace. It is no different than the commandment "Thou shalt not commit murder". I would not fault or accuse someone who ate human flesh if they did so in desperate circumstances, esp. if the flesh was (as in the case of the Andean crash) from people who were already dead so no murder was required. OTOH, setting out to deliberately hunt down, kill, and eat other people as Jeffrey Dahmer did crosses a bunch of lines before you even get to the eating part.
 
Pr. Jae said:
Kay, I use "feel" to indicate that I have reasoned things out mostly on the basis of my personal value system rather than mostly on cold logic.
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There is much chaos over the psyche comprehension of the MB Points of understanding ... some people even feel they know ... whereas with time some of us know we don't feel that well any more so just record ID ... as dis ease!
 
I read a few posts. To me the signs of being self-righteous include being preoccupied with what someone else is doing wrong, preoccupied with the external signs of goodness, and believing oneself to be better than others. The main sign of righteousness to me is living in a spirit of love for others and God along with a strong sense of gratitude for life's blessings--doing things that are good for the sake of feeling right with oneself and the world..
 
jimkenney12 said:
I read a few posts. To me the signs of being self-righteous include being preoccupied with what someone else is doing wrong, preoccupied with the external signs of goodness, and believing oneself to be better than others. The main sign of righteousness to me is living in a spirit of love for others and God along with a strong sense of gratitude for life's blessings--doing things that are good for the sake of feeling right with oneself and the world..
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You mean like gods and masques?
 
jimkenney12 said:
I read a few posts. To me the signs of being self-righteous include being preoccupied with what someone else is doing wrong, preoccupied with the external signs of goodness, and believing oneself to be better than others.
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So....being like God, then?
 
chansen said:
Is that one of those attempts to make it seem like I shouldn't refer to a being I don't believe in? I can compare things to Darth Vader, and I don't believe in him, either.
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no, its a truth of what you believe that one day you will be

non-existent
 
"To me the signs of being self-righteous include being preoccupied with what someone else is doing wrong, preoccupied with the external signs of goodness, and believing oneself to be better than others."

God as portrayed in the Bible:

- preoccupied with the sins of Its creation
- preoccupied with the external activitites of humanity to the extent of demanding obedience to 613 specific laws in the Hebrew Scriptures
- demanding that one be worshipped as the One God is a pretty accurate indicator that It believes Itself to be better than others.
 
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