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Pr.Jae ----your quote -----You've posted that God doesn't listen to the prayers of sinners


I posted God's word Pr.Jae ------so if you have a problem with what God says in His word ---you will have to take it up with God Pr.Jae ---I can't help you with that ---and God can tell you --how to have God in you ----


I will repost it for you -----This is what God says ------you either believe it or not ------here are a few different Bibles all same the same thing ---if you have a problem with what it says -----that is your problem not mine -----I don't have to explain anything to you -----can't get much plainer that it is ------He does have a stipulations attached for Godly persons -----


We know that God does not listen to sinners. He listens to the godly person who does his will.-----New Living Translation

We know that God doesn't listen to sinners, but he is ready to hear those who worship him and do his will-----.English Standard Version

We know that God does not listen to sinners, but if anyone is a worshiper of God and does his will, God listens to him.----Berean Study Bible

We know that God does not listen to sinners, but He does listen to the one who worships Him and does His will.----New International Version
 
unsafe said:
Pr.Jae ----your quote -----You've posted that God doesn't listen to the prayers of sinners


I posted God's word Pr.Jae ------so if you have a problem with what God says in His word ---you will have to take it up with God Pr.Jae ---I can't help you with that ---and God can tell you --how to have God in you ----


I will repost it for you -----This is what God says ------you either believe it or not ------here are a few different Bibles all same the same thing ---if you have a problem with what it says -----that is your problem not mine -----I don't have to explain anything to you -----can't get much plainer that it is ------He does have a stipulations attached for Godly persons -----


We know that God does not listen to sinners. He listens to the godly person who does his will.-----New Living Translation

We know that God doesn't listen to sinners, but he is ready to hear those who worship him and do his will-----.English Standard Version

We know that God does not listen to sinners, but if anyone is a worshiper of God and does his will, God listens to him.----Berean Study Bible

We know that God does not listen to sinners, but He does listen to the one who worships Him and does His will.----New International Version
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What I'm seeking unsafe is your interpretation of what God has said in his word. Now, in other places on WC2, you've said that to be saved a person must "accept Jesus." There is, as I'm sure you're aware, something in Christianity known as the "Sinner's Prayer," wherein a non-Christian (a sinner, if you will), prays to accept Jesus. However, I take it you don't believe in such prayer - as you've affirmed your belief in the Scripture that says that God hears not the prayers of sinners. Since that the case unsafe, just how do you imagine is it possible for a person to accept Jesus?
 
unsafe said:
Pr.Jae ----your quote -----You've posted that God doesn't listen to the prayers of sinners


I posted God's word Pr.Jae ------so if you have a problem with what God says in His word ---you will have to take it up with God Pr.Jae ---I can't help you with that ---and God can tell you --how to have God in you ----


I will repost it for you -----This is what God says ------you either believe it or not ------here are a few different Bibles all same the same thing ---if you have a problem with what it says -----that is your problem not mine -----I don't have to explain anything to you -----can't get much plainer that it is ------He does have a stipulations attached for Godly persons -----


We know that God does not listen to sinners. He listens to the godly person who does his will.-----New Living Translation

We know that God doesn't listen to sinners, but he is ready to hear those who worship him and do his will-----.English Standard Version

We know that God does not listen to sinners, but if anyone is a worshiper of God and does his will, God listens to him.----Berean Study Bible

We know that God does not listen to sinners, but He does listen to the one who worships Him and does His will.----New International Version
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According to Gods word God has responded to the needs of unbelievers/sinners.
The Roman centurian
Hagar.
The people of Ninevah
Ahab
 
Pr.Jae -----your quote ------something in Christianity known as the "Sinner's Prayer," wherein a non-Christian (a sinner, if you will), prays to accept Jesus.

You need to read the Bible -----Show me your version of the Sinner's Prayer in the Bible ----no where is the sinners prayer in there -----this prayer is man made it is all about Religion ----Religion says there is the Sinner's Prayer ----it is not Biblical -----this is what the Bible says about receiving Jesus as our Lord and Savior -----

Romans 10:8-9 -----2 different Bible say the same thing ------

Study Bible ------http://biblehub.com/romans/10-9.htm

The Word Brings Salvation

…8But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming:9thatifyou confess with your mouth , “Jesus is Lord,”and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.10For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved.…

New International Version

If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

New Living Translation

If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
 
unsafe said:
Pr.Jae -----your quote ------something in Christianity known as the "Sinner's Prayer," wherein a non-Christian (a sinner, if you will), prays to accept Jesus.

You need to read the Bible -----Show me your version of the Sinner's Prayer in the Bible ----no where is the sinners prayer in there -----this prayer is man made it is all about Religion ----Religion says there is the Sinner's Prayer ----it is not Biblical -----this is what the Bible says about receiving Jesus as our Lord and Savior -----

Romans 10:8-9 -----2 different Bible say the same thing ------

Study Bible ------http://biblehub.com/romans/10-9.htm

The Word Brings Salvation

…8But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming:9thatifyou confess with your mouth , “Jesus is Lord,”and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.10For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved.…

New International Version

If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

New Living Translation

If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
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Oh, I don't believe in the Sinner's Prayer. Thousands of other Christians do though. I thought you might well be one of them since you speak often of "accepting Jesus." However, I accept that you do not. So then, where do you believe faith that God raised Jesus from the dead comes from? Does it just pop into our hearts one day? If so, that wouldn't be a volitional choice of ours - which is something you've expressed you believe in. How in your theology does one move from being a sinner to being one whom God has declared to be righteous?
 
Pr.Jae

Your just going on and on ---I leave you with this scripture -----some good advice from God Himself ----------

2 Timothy 2GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

Remain Focused on Jesus

14 Remind believers about these things, and warn them in the sight of God not to quarrel over words. Quarreling doesn’t do any good but only destroys those who are listening.
15 Do your best to present yourself to God as a tried-and-true worker who isn’t ashamed to teach the word of truth correctly.16 Avoid pointless discussions. People who pay attention to these pointless discussions will become more ungodly,17 and what they say will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are like that.18 They have abandoned the truth. They are destroying the faith of others by saying that people who have died have already come back to life.


You have a great rest of the week -----:)







 
unsafe said:
Pr.Jae Your just going on and on ---I leave you with this scripture -----some good advice from God Himself ----------
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Perhaps because you have yet to give me a straight answer. I respect your choice, while having to be unsure as to whether or not you actually have one to give. You painted yourself into a corner unsafe. You stated that God doesn't listen to the prayers of sinners, but then failed to share how you do feel people can come to faith. I hope some day you can find an answer to give. We are to be prepared to give an answer for the hope that we have.

unsafe said:
You have a great rest of the week -----:)
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Thank you, you as well.





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Mendalla said:
It is fairly clear from any number of places in Jesus' teaching that he believed that no one is without sin. So God doesn't listen to anyone, then?
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--Hi mendalla --I believe you may find , that those who follow Christ Jesus , have no sin . As they have washed them self's in the blood of the lamb.
Jhn 1:12But to all who received him, who believed in his name, he gave power to become children of God;
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Jhn 1:13who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Gal 5:18
But if you are led by the Spirit you are not under the law.
Rom 7:6But now we are discharged from the law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we serve not under the old written code but in the new life of the Spirit.
 
unsafe said:
Pr.Jae

Your just going on and on ---I leave you with this scripture -----some good advice from God Himself ----------

2 Timothy 2GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

Remain Focused on Jesus

14 Remind believers about these things, and warn them in the sight of God not to quarrel over words. Quarreling doesn’t do any good but only destroys those who are listening.
15 Do your best to present yourself to God as a tried-and-true worker who isn’t ashamed to teach the word of truth correctly.16 Avoid pointless discussions. People who pay attention to these pointless discussions will become more ungodly,17 and what they say will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are like that.18 They have abandoned the truth. They are destroying the faith of others by saying that people who have died have already come back to life.


You have a great rest of the week -----:)
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We are arguing with false teaching.
 
chansen said:
Sin is just violating a religious rule. Some of those rules make sense. Others don't. They appear rather arbitrary, though some of the more arbitrary looking ones may have ancient reasons that are no longer necessary, like prohibitions on certain foods.

Religion often uses sin as a guilt trip. My concern is that religion beats you down, so that it can build you back up again and take the credit.
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Sounds like the religion of the state - Hate the Sin - Tax the Sinner!

Faith in the divine right of the state to infringe on the rights of the individual person to make their own moral judgments - by imposing a sin tax on “morally ambiguous” activities - far more effective than ancient reasons for prohibition of certain foods (like they might be bad for your health)? How long before the state will impose a sin tax on soda or fast food?

Interestingly, the religion of state has a vested interest in people continuing this supposedly sinful behavior. Under a sin tax, the state finds itself in the peculiar and contradictory position of professing to discourage certain behaviors while relying on their continuance as a source of revenue.

One of the unintended consequences of sin taxes are the increased motivation for people to violate the law. Sin taxes exist as a halfway house to prohibition and thereby promote greater temptation to engage in black market activities.

Some people choose to leave politicians and bureaucrats in charge of sanctioning 'sins' in areas that are morally ambiguous.

Others when establishing building blocks of faith - prefer this task be left to community, family, church, and tradition.
 
monk said:
Sounds like the religion of the state - Hate the Sin - Tax the Sinner!

Faith in the divine right of the state to infringe on the rights of the individual person to make their own moral judgments - by imposing a sin tax on “morally ambiguous” activities - far more effective than ancient reasons for prohibition of certain foods (like they might be bad for your health)? How long before the state will impose a sin tax on soda or fast food?

Interestingly, the religion of state has a vested interest in people continuing this supposedly sinful behavior. Under a sin tax, the state finds itself in the peculiar and contradictory position of professing to discourage certain behaviors while relying on their continuance as a source of revenue.

One of the unintended consequences of sin taxes are the increased motivation for people to violate the law. Sin taxes exist as a halfway house to prohibition and thereby promote greater temptation to engage in black market activities.

Some people choose to leave politicians and bureaucrats in charge of sanctioning 'sins' in areas that are morally ambiguous.

Others when establishing building blocks of faith - prefer this task be left to community, family, church, and tradition.
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And when people's fairness morality* is triggered (cf. Haidt. like in economic inequality, 'for i am a jealous people', injustice, etc -- realization: in this world where more of us are free to express n have our voice heare n have an effect on our world do we then have an obligation to restrain ourselves for the greater whole? What of a world where everyone has their own culture n is able to define themelves however they are? Just a.musing atm)watch out all. History is also littered with the corpses of civilizations who were overrun by mobs of citizens...maybe a role of organized religion is to help keep these various powers n principalities (herd mentality, cognitive biases, scapegoating, morality, etc)in check?

*there is evidence that wolves have this
 
There we are God fearing people eliminating others ... that's the way it whir ...

And all this without a thought ... as thoughts are dangerous to the wiles ...
 
Luce NDs said:
There we are God fearing people eliminating others ... that's the way it whir ...

And all this without a thought ... as thoughts are dangerous to the wiles ...
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Or our belief in Christian free will doesn' match up entirely to reality, instead we decide unconsciously and only after do we.come up with rationalizations or narrativès to explain why?

We all have our own movies playing in our heads where we think that is the way the world works. Cultures were attempts to have a shared space where a people could attempt to live in relative peace. What of this world that's being born where all these different cultures are in real time contact with each other where more and.more people can have an effect?

What of the genuinely inompetent n the genuine monsters in the world?

N taking Haidts moral theory, do we really want more Liberals in a given population, given that Conservatives hold all 6 moralities as equally.important, compared with Liberals?

For transsexuals it has been rough in our country because of our hollow spirituality transsexuals have been a set of isolated individuals them trying with varying success to explain thier movies to others and trying to get us to accommodate them. Now there is more of a culture for transsexuals to be a part of,and as we know having a culture already made is much easier and less stressful than having to make ones own. Less lonely as well.

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chansen said:
Not when you don't use hyphens.

You see Mendalla, you have a broken hyphen. unsafe's hyphen is intact. God likes an intact hyphen.
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It makes just as much sense sometimes. If there is going to be a God it will be for everyone, and not just because one joined a certain club. Imagine how good one would feel in some heaven where they spend their eternity singing to God while their fellow loved ones, even their family, are roasting in some eternal hell because they didn't subscribe to the same theology. If there is going to be a God then surely it will not be like this. Despite, and this is important @unsafe, despite how one interprets the scriptures, for that interpretation is always based on one's awareness.
 
come up with rationalizations or narrativès to explain why

What's a narrative? Sounds like a wild story to me and that would translate to liberally gritty and thus somewhat dirty ... like those indigo ladies out in the arid parts ...
 
Neo said:
It makes just as much sense sometimes. If there is going to be a God it will be for everyone, and not just because one joined a certain club. Imagine how good one would feel in some heaven where they spend their eternity singing to God while their fellow loved ones, even their family, are roasting in some eternal hell because they didn't subscribe to the same theology. If there is going to be a God then surely it will not be like this. Despite, and this is important @unsafe, despite how one interprets the scriptures, for that interpretation is always based on one's awareness.
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Here I essentially agree with you. If there is a god, and a good one, he won't care what you believe about things for which he hasn't left good reasons to believe. A god *needs* to be believed in and worshipped? How infantile. How amazingly pathetic for a supposedly supreme being.
 
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