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Mystic said:
Neo, as I said, that is Jesus' understanding of Gehenna, a place from which soul retrievals are possible for those willing to tranform to a higher level.
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You believe you "know" that Jesus was not being metaphorical in his use of such a word?
 
Neo said:
You believe you "know" that Jesus was not being metaphorical in his use of such a word?
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Well, Jesus was being both metnphorical and literal; metaphorical in the sense that Gehenna stands for the Jerusalem valley where trash was dumped and burnt and literal in the sense that it stands for a spiritual dimension in which those who trashed their lives reside after death. What is important to observe is the imagery other than fire that Jesus uses to describe it, thus indicating that it is both symbolic and a very real postmortem dimension. The rabbis in late antiquity believed that someone with mediocre spirituality might spent a year there before ascending. So that already lifts the concept beyond a place for eternal punishment for all the wicked. I'll provided details on Jesus' view in a future post.
 
Is Gehenna then the pits of thought ... where knowledge is disposed of by thoughtless peoples?

Overly emotional phoqah ... dismiss knowledge as useless ... without thought a painless space ... with many options imagine louvers leading to heaven ... an abstract thing (dictionary says this relates to mental stuff ... essential)? Can distract from emotional activities and thus other 'sway --- Kant-like mode?

Kinda like a Wrinkle in Time, a rift in essence you'll-tuals to be used in carving out thoughts from sublime realms ... baseline?

Does this allow for a need for fiery escape ... and the goad may now be taken off the grill ... his hind is now cooked ... that's the main beef! Is the tongue a visceral thing part of the gut expression required for digestion ... some enzymes hidden in the spitting thereof?

Did you know enzymes are related to endocrines trough alchemy (ancient form of alchemii ... and chemiras/chemiriis) things are frightening ... wee things under microscopic observation? If it is best not to know ... can thoughts be put down as subtly condensed in a pit eH? Ah the Seder of wisdom ... etiologically ... Hebrew chaos ... even put off King James! That's Privy Council ... once known as Star Chamber wisdom ... closed states! Could be in err ... stuff I'm told not to know ... it is too diplomatic in a world desirous of conflict ... prove it ... just say something provocative like sects training! The institutional will support white washing ... others deprogramming ... the un thought resolution ... sub con science??????? Tis all in how you say it that can full fill un know'N's ... d's the silent letter 'ere, or Eire if you wish a place to put it off to as Tue another word for KAD'sh!

The fun of utilizing it ... word as god ... will be the death of me due to secret power that rule against --- sacred wisdom once known as heiros gamma ... passé? Thus the went off as a shot in the dark ...
 
Mystic said:
The rabbis in late antiquity believed that someone with mediocre spirituality might spent a year there before ascending. So that already lifts the concept beyond a place for eternal punishment for all the wicked.
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The basis for the Medieval concept of Purgatory?
 
"Well, Jesus was being both methphorical and literal"

Is that divine le gassy form ... as words take flight as Levite version? Almost like fast across time? Timeless humus why dis hit fell as it impacted ... constitutions? I'll take the 5th regarding pent up emotions release eM darkly by ink'n? Tis journ*allah 'n ... alloy'd to a lyre? Some refer to this as story tell-Urs ... tis out of use by those with the BS they know better! Me ... I can't tell you a thing for observed reason about abstract intents! Thus people lie all about the issue of thinking ... tis a strange operation indicative of absence ... the popular trend of subconscious doings! Crazy psychic etudes?

You did know that the Greek "η" eta is just a substitute for "h" as an outa Eire domain ... parallel complexity? People do not relate well with poly gama 's availability ... to support desires chaos ... what people just don't wish to know ... word as divine metaphor of the Σ-ions (scie*nçe) of its own ... from out there ... exclusionary? Adepts of inherence for those that cannot believe in divine as a split intent of gathering to re stir conjugation ... a socialized democracy with 2 halves ... due to averice .. one half desiring to control all things the other to control nothing ... and thus God is loose as Lucy ... the advocate of convergence differing from con virgin antes ... those before the flood of demiurge ... the ppol of love an knowledge in an alien dimension ... all in you mind as imaginary squeeze ... de vice of knowledge?
 
Neo said:
Hmmm.... not sure why I'd use the word Soul to get back at you, (did I miss something?)

--Airclean--post--


What part is soul and where does it go in death?

--Neo--post--

Spirit is who and what you really are. It is your real Self, the highest-most part of your being. It is formless and non-divisible, meaning that there is no such as "your" Spirit and "my" Spirit, because all Spirit is ONE.

“As a single sun illuminates the whole world, even so does the One Spirit illumine every body.”
– Krishna, Bhagavad Gita chapter XIII

Airclean--post--As Jesus The Christ said. I an The father are one, when a man marries a woman. They become one, this dose not mean one,of them has lost that which they were. When they have a child it is one with them , a part of both of them an yet also one, of it's self. I also believe we who accept Christ Jesus . Have in a way we don't understand, become one with GOD, He come's inside us , and joins with us , that of course is the spirit" I am talking about . For our GOD is Spirit" not flesh. I am sorry Neo as I know nothing of Krishna you talk about. I believe it to be an east Indian god. I do how ever believe humankind are all born of only One GOD, that being the GOD of Christ Jesus.


--Neo--post---
The Soul, however, is divisible. "It is a permanent entity (after it has been unfolded out of the Spirit) and is the self-conscious individuality or Ego which incarnates and reincarnates in the human kingdom and beyond". It is the “I” of our being. It is the Consciousness Principle, the Mind Principle, in man. The soul is actually the same thing as the mind... The soul reincarnates but the spirit does not. Souls are many but spirit is essentially ONE."

--Airclean--post--The soul, came out of the spirit that is you? Why then did not GOD talk about the soul in Gen? The body yes , the spirit yes, . The soul not a word. In JOHN6: 63. It says the spirit is to be saved , not the flesh. --No word on the soul. Were did it GO?

Neo--post---

The Spirit is to the Soul what the Soul is to the Body. And LIFE runs through them all.

Another way of considering Spirit, Soul and Body is with the words Life, Consciousness and Form.

Airclean--post---The spirit of man ,is the life of the body. The spirit is also the life of the soul? If This is true would not the soul die, as will the flesh . When the spirit leaves and returns to GOD. I believe still , the word soul is no more than a mix up of saying spirit. Man I believe is of two parts . Flesh and spirit. Why is Humankind worth so much to GOD? Because that spirit came from GOD. Gen2:7 The life of the flesh. John 1: 1-5 Jesus was the maker of humankind. The only Begotten Son of GOD", We then are GODS Grand children".( Then as Tomas said To Jesus Christ, was right on) . My Lord and My GOD. Abba"
Jhn 20:28Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!"
Airclean33.
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Such is the soul of the myth ... well buried as a story about knowledge that is opposed by rigid BS ... Hard shell all the way to the bottom ... but such droppings may be the only fuel for the fires in an arid place that gets really cool after dark ... any alternate industrial thoughts about social gatherings for warmth? Social psyche ...

Are there dangers involved ... perhaps teasing fates ... in cause on had a concept that this was subconscious destiny? Thus wholesome bread ... with a bit of whine, or whispers in the willow 'n ...oh mega gaw' ...

The "d" is sometime referred to as silent apocalypse ... of being awe that someone can do things to yah that others are forbidden to know about? With age it becomes irrelevant ... as the blinding effect of the flames diminish? There is even a story of an organist that saved a condom in a rose bowl ... was never love sic after word of previous goings on ...
 
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airclean33 said:
Can you give a verse an chapter on that?
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A retort (sweet ration of Pi or ongoing ration regarding Circes) from the one book response irrevalent to the voice of the Good Ness (Gosple) of John 21:25 ... suggesting there's more to ID (future books that would be written)? Allows for round about illustrations of restrictive things that continue to rant on about the ideal of free wile ... available to the discreet few as ethereal naïveté? Sort of wisdom that just doesn't seem to be there as incarnate situations ... thus the physical world still goes round ...
 
Is it possible we could come back to this later? .. An indeterminate resurrection of psyche as representative of soul ... the unseen of just a shadow as abstract ...
 
What type of Love is Agape ------

Four Greeks words for Love ----you can read all the 4 types of love here -----https://www.mcleanbible.org/sites/d...ources/Chap3/GreekWordsforLoveWS_Chapter3.pdf

Ἀγάπη or Ἀγαπάω (Agapē or Agapaō) a. Definition: i. Agapē is called out of one’s heart by the preciousness of the object loved. It is a love of esteem, of evaluation. It has the idea of prizing. It is the noblest word for love in the Greek language.2 ii. Agapē is not kindled by the merit or worth of it’s object, but it originates in it’s own God-given nature. God is love. iii. It delights in giving. iv. This love keeps on loving even when the loved one is unresponsive, unkind, unlovable, and unworthy. It is unconditional love. v. Agapē desires only the good of the one loved. It is a consuming passion for the well-being of others. . Usage: i. There are only a few known occurrences of this word love outside of the bible. In other words, this word was not used very often in extra-biblical writings. ii. It is used approximately three0hundred and twenty times in the New Testament. c. Selected References: John 3:16, 3:35, 13:34, 14:15, 15:9, 15:13; Romans 5:5, 13:8-10; Gal. 5:22; Eph. 3:17, 4:2, 4:15, 5:2, 5:25; Col. 3:14; 1 Thess. 3:12, 4:9-10; 1 Peter 4:8

God is able to Love all people that includes ---all the Stalin's of the world --all the Hitler's of the world ---all murders of the world ---etc ----Does He like their actions ---NO ----but He understands how evil works ---He after all put Satan here to give us free choice to decide to act on evil or choose good -----He has given His Creation options to choose from and He has provided a way to escape the evil if we want to ----so why would He hate what He Created -----does it grieve Him when His creation chooses not to do good ---Of Course ----but His love is unfailing -----

How many times have we let God down ----How many times have we hurt God by choosing to ignore Him ----accuse Him of bring bad things in our lives and in this world ----If someone kept hurting you time and time again would you still Love them ------ would you want to be around them still ----Well God is always there for us no matter what we say --do or feel about Him ----His Love is strong for us --His hope prevails that we will come to Him in the end ---
 
Mendalla said:
The basis for the Medieval concept of Purgatory?
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Theconcrete details of what Catholic Purgatory is like can undermine its educational purpose. But the concept has profound roots in the Judaeo-Christian tradition in general--roots that begin to question the ghastly assumption that we can be wicked enough during our finite lifetime to deserve eternal conscious torment. Whatever God's unconditional love means, it surely precludes the notion that God gives up on seriously flawed people the moment they die.

Perhaps the most important of the many relevant NT texts for Purgatory is 1 Corinthians 3:16, which employs the metaphor of a Christian builder who builds either well or horribly on Christ, the foundation. Paul then employs a Purgatory type image for believers like these who are not ready for the kingdom of God: "If the work is burned up, the builder will suffer loss. But the builder will be saved, but only as through fire." In ancient rabbinic Judaism, the expression "saved, but only as through fire" can refer to postmortem purgation in Gehenna. If this is the background for 1 Cor 3:16, then Paul is saying that Christian believers whose works lack any lasting impact or substance (symbolized by "wood, hay, and stubble") will experience postmortem purgation that serves as an educational tool to allow their graduation to the kingdom of God. 1 Cor 3:16 is often misunderstood as merely a metaphor for those who are saved by the skin of their teeth.
 
Luce NDs said:
A retort (sweet ration of Pi or ongoing ration regarding Circes) from the one book response irrevalent to the voice of the Good Ness (Gosple) of John 21:25 ... suggesting there's more to ID (future books that would be written)? Allows for round about illustrations of restrictive things that continue to rant on about the ideal of free wile ... available to the discreet few as ethereal naïveté? Sort of wisdom that just doesn't seem to be there as incarnate situations ... thus the physical world still goes round ...
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NO Luce --That don't work. You see Jesus is a living God . I talk to Him every day. Yes the world goes around, at least in two directions a twenty four hr turn. Also a 65,000 mile Hr trip through space.
 
airclean33 said:
NO Luce --That don't work. You see Jesus is a living God . I talk to Him every day. Yes the world goes around, at least in two directions a twenty four hr turn. Also a 65,000 mile Hr trip through space.
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Ha, ha, ha ... no matter what anyone said AC33 ... you wouldn't step beyond your institution into God's eternal territory ... you are a one book person ... mono thei ist ... no second breath or look as suggested by gods advocate ... very set in your way and unable to learn anything beyond what you are familiar with ... thus contemptuous to those beyond yah?

Really you're just a bit of foggier Eire ...
 
RitaTG said:
As far as I can glean from this thread and many posts in other threads .... God's love is unconditional as long as certain conditions are met LOL :)
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Does God in a purely emotional state know about standards or is that left to the advocate? Isn't that the devil ... who would interfere with free desires with free thoughts?

Seems logical to me ...
 
airclean33 said:
NO Luce --That don't work. You see Jesus is a living God . I talk to Him every day. Yes the world goes around, at least in two directions a twenty four hr turn. Also a 65,000 mile Hr trip through space.
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The world goes around in two directions? Anti-gravity!!!
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RitaTG said:
As far as I can glean from this thread and many posts in other threads .... God's love is unconditional as long as certain conditions are met LOL :)
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You gotta join the club Rita, and then know that while you spend your eternity in heaven, the road to hell is paved with the souls of unbaptized babies, sinners, athiest, and generally those who were born in a different culture or have a different belief structure. How satisfying will that be?
 
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