Is God's Love Really Unconditional ? ---

[unsafe]

We have to understand that there is and was an enemy on the loose ----and it was Satan's Job to keep people deceived ----blind the minds of people as to warnings and God's ways ----Free will played a part and still plays a part today ------God gave Humans Control over the earth so it was mam who screwed up and was deceived ------and then fallen angels came and were growing their kind -------the earth was in a mess ---it was not because He was concerned with His Human Creation ---it was a spiritual concern of wickedness that was His concern ---having pure evil spread over the earth with the Nephilim having children ------in my view ------

This scripture shows why God brought the flood ------The Nephilim were present and had invaded the earth and God needed to rid the earth of these demons as they were having children -----


Genesis 6New International Version (NIV)

Wickedness in the World

6 When human beings began to increase in number on the earth(A)and daughters were born to them,2 the sons of God(B)saw that the daughters(C)of humans were beautiful,(D)and they married(E)any of them they chose.3 Then theLord said, “My Spirit(F)will not contend with[a]humans forever,(G)for they are mortal[b];(H)their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”

4 The Nephilim(I)were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans(J)and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.(K)

5TheLord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth,(L)and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time.(M)6 The Lord regretted(N)that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth(O)the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.(P)”8 But Noah(Q)found favor in the eyes of the Lord.(R)

 

[airclean33]

So god's love is unconditional only when you accept his son? You only have one chance to accept his son in this life time. Is this correct so far?

Airclean--post--No dreamerman this is wrong . wile you live you can be forgiven. If you repent and receive.How many times did GOD forgive Israel?

Dreamerman--post--
So when you come before your maker at judgement time you can't say I accept Christ because I have seen him? You blew your chance at believing in god and jesus in this life time. These questions are for unsafe and airclean. So no three strikes and you are out?

Airclean--post--
When you come before your maker . You are now in the spirit. You will be Judged for that which ,you have done in life or in the flesh . As far as I know or understand ,you have but one life . Then Judgment. Those who have accepted Christ Jesus. Have already been raised, and are as Jesus , a Child of GOD. They have no sin.

 

[Luce NDs]

Perhaps the flood was just awash with thoughts and cares ... a sort of immersion in demiurge?

How would I know the fathers of the church say it is immoral, unethical and illegal for common people to know or understand much more than nothing ...

 

[Luce NDs]

Enemy on the loose?????

Would that be wild thoughts to an authority that would wish people wouldn't use the gift of brains? All they want is self directed at them of course in the subjective case ... locked up as nutz! Offspring of a numb tree ... wormwood is prickly ...

 

[airclean33]

You have a tendency to come across very judgmental Airclean. It's not the first time you've done so.

"Over and over again"? Yes, I believe in reincarnation. One trip through life is hardly enough to become "perfect" in the eyes of the Lord.

--Hi Neo --Sorry about coming across as very judgmental . I am in pain most of the time . I will try to control. Neo Humankind can not heal them self's. It is by the power of GOD we are healed , and are lives are changed. This may not be your belief which I guess is up to you. I feel we both will know soon enough".

 

[Luce NDs]

Is god unnatural ... like the fear, anger and hate of the anima ... followed by the hermeneutic animus ... the cognizant portion coming later in evolved form of aspirations to read into the story for the mythical lesson? We call it myth because many literalists don't wish to know or understand literary things like squeezes, rubs and other ways of milking the critter ...

They are intermediate concerns that get around all hard parts ... like between mother, father, sister, brother , etc ... God even claims that even though mortal god are naturally inclined to do battle and not get around, under, over or through much ... added to linguistics it is like the article "a" ... as used in al'a mode ... although the spacing may very due to spatial fluidity ... sort of akin to gaps in the brain allowing stray and alien thoughts! Then there is the mode of sects for isolation of parts ...

 

[Jaebius]

--Hi Neo --Sorry about coming across as very judgmental . I am in pain most of the time . I will try to control. Neo Humankind can not heal them self's. It is by the power of GOD we are healed , and are lives are changed. This may not be your belief which I guess is up to you. I feel we both will know soon enough".

(Pain? Sorry to hear brother. Will pray for you. Send me a Wondermail about it if you'd like.)

 

[Luce NDs]

Internal fires build as inherent with closed BS eMs (cyst eMs)?

 

[Neo]

--Hi Neo --Sorry about coming across as very judgmental . I am in pain most of the time . I will try to control. Neo Humankind can not heal them self's. It is by the power of GOD we are healed , and are lives are changed. This may not be your belief which I guess is up to you. I feel we both will know soon enough".

I'm sorry to hear about your pain Airclean. I hope you find relief soon.

This debate as to whether we return to this Earth until we get it right is all really a manner of perspective. If you identify with your personality, e.g. your trifold constitution consisting of your body, your emotions and your rational mind, then for you, the one who has a birthdate, death is but a great sleep, as that "person" will never return again. Your personality death is as final as your birthdate, which can never come around again.

If, however, you come to the realization that your personal self is but a reflection of something even greater, like a shadow on a sunny day, and you begin to identify who you are with that something greater, e.g. the Soul, then for you death is but a door into a continued existence. Do you see? It's all about awareness, and the Soul is already God-Aware. Our job, as personalities, is to become aware of the Soul.

Christ was fully God-Aware and He willingly, out of service to the plan, left his personal self on the alter (so to speak) during the crucifixion. "Thy will Father, not mine" were His famous words when He decide to carry forth with the plan.

Read these words of Paul, from Philippians 3:10-12 (Weymouth):
"I long to know Christ and the power which is in His resurrection, and to share in His suffering and die even as He died; in the hope that I may attain to the resurrection from the dead. I do not say that I have already gained this knowledge or already reached perfection, but I press on.."

To me this sounds like someone who believes that more must be done with our lives than just believing in Christ. How many good Christians are at the stage where they can "die even as He died"? How many good Christians can honestly say that they are "perfect, as our Father in heaven is perfect"? I suspect, not many. I suspect that we all have to "press on". We are judged by our works, I believe, despite what the Calvinist purports. But it's all a manner of perspective as to what those works are. If we can identify ourselves with the God within then we are doing the works of the Spirit. If we identify ourselves with just our personality then we are doing the works of the flesh. It's all about awareness.

 

[unsafe]

Hi airclean33 -----your quote ---I am in pain most of the time

Hope you are OK Brother ------God Bless --will keep you in my prayers ----remember in our weakness God's Grace is our strength -----Healing Brother is a done deal ---I know you know that ------call in your healing -----get some healing scriptures and pray them -----God's will be done ---

Isaiah 55 ----is a great scripture ----verse 11 ---powerful --as is Mark 11-GW Jesus speaks in verse 23 ------this is a promise 11 My word,It will accomplish whatever I want and achieve whatever I send it to do.”----

Mark 11 :23--- I can guarantee this truth: This is what will be done for someone who doesn’t doubt but believes what he says will happen: He can say to this mountain, ‘Be uprooted and thrown into the sea,’ and it will be done for him ------Notice-- will be done ----Promise -----our job is to believe and receive ------


Isaiah 55GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

TheLord’s Word Will Accomplish Its Task

11 My word, which comes from my mouth, is like the rain and snow.
It will not come back to me without results.
It will accomplish whatever I want
and achieve whatever I send it to do.”


Get Well Brother ------All Glory is God's ------

 

[Mystic]

I don't believe there is such a thing as an "established findings of scholarship" regarding Gehenna or Hell or Hades, it's all theology and doctrine and is hardly "beyond question".

According to Rabbi Baruch HaLevi, at jewishboston.com, "there isn’t one definitive understanding of life after death or heaven and hell. As the saying goes, “Two Jews, three opinions.” So believe what you want, because ultimately Judaism doesn’t care what you believe, but rather what you do." I like this guy, 'cause this what I've always said: it's not "what" you believe but "how" you believe.

Neo, you don't seem to understand the nature of scholarship. Of course, ancient Judaism expresses a diversity of perspectives on the afterlife. One of those perspectives shared by the Jesus tradition is that evil souls go to "Gehenna," a place of punishment. Whether you embrace or reject Jesus' view is a matter of your subjective judgment.

 

[airclean33]

I'm sorry to hear about your pain Airclean. I hope you find relief soon.

This debate as to whether we return to this Earth until we get it right is all really a manner of perspective. If you identify with your personality, e.g. your trifold constitution consisting of your body, your emotions and your rational mind, then for you, the one who has a birthdate, death is but a great sleep, as that "person" will never return again. Your personality death is as final as your birthdate, which can never come around again.

If, however, you come to the realization that your personal self is but a reflection of something even greater, like a shadow on a sunny day, and you begin to identify who you are with that something greater, e.g. the Soul, then for you death is but a door into a continued existence. Do you see? It's all about awareness, and the Soul is already God-Aware. Our job, as personalities, is to become aware of the Soul.

Christ was fully God-Aware and He willingly, out of service to the plan, left his personal self on the alter (so to speak) during the crucifixion. "Thy will Father, not mine" were His famous words when He decide to carry forth with the plan.

Read these words of Paul, from Philippians 3:10-12 (Weymouth):
"I long to know Christ and the power which is in His resurrection, and to share in His suffering and die even as He died; in the hope that I may attain to the resurrection from the dead. I do not say that I have already gained this knowledge or already reached perfection, but I press on.."


Airclean--post---I will take you a bit farther brother---
Phl 3:10that I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and may share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death,

Phl 3:11that if possible I may attain the resurrection from the dead.

Phl 3:12Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect; but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own.

Phl 3:13Brethren, I do not consider that I have made it my own; but one thing I do, forgetting what lies behind and straining forward to what lies ahead,

Phl 3:14I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.

Phl 3:15Let those of us who are mature be thus minded; and if in anything you are otherwise minded, God will reveal that also to you.

Phl 3:16
Only let us hold true to what we have attained.

Do you know that when Christ returns We who follow Him will be in charge of the earth for 1000 years?This I believe is a teaching time for us.REV20:

--Neo--post---
To me this sounds like someone who believes that more must be done with our lives than just believing in Christ. How many good Christians are at the stage where they can "die even as He died"? How many good Christians can honestly say that they are "perfect, as our Father in heaven is perfect"? I suspect, not many. I suspect that we all have to "press on". We are judged by our works, I believe, despite what the Calvinist purports.

Airclean--post--I believe the Calinist have this part right. I think GOD is done Judging us. He I believe GOD just wants us to know , how to follow Him. To listen what He says and obey it. This is I hope you understand, to the ones who accepted Jesus As The Lord


Neo--post--
But it's all a manner of perspective as to what those works are. If we can identify ourselves with the God within then we are doing the works of the Spirit. If we identify ourselves with just our personality then we are doing the works of the flesh. It's all about awareness.

Airclean--post-- Perhaps something I read in the book of John - would help you Neo. I read this a long time ago. An believe it to be one of GODS Rocks. JOHN6:63--
Jhn 6:63It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

 

[Neo]

To me this sounds like someone who believes that more must be done with our lives than just believing in Christ. How many good Christians are at the stage where they can "die even as He died"? How many good Christians can honestly say that they are "perfect, as our Father in heaven is perfect"? I suspect, not many. I suspect that we all have to "press on". We are judged by our works, I believe, despite what the Calvinist purports.

I believe the Calinist have this part right. I think GOD is done Judging us. He I believe GOD just wants us to know , how to follow Him. To listen what He says and obey it. This is I hope you understand, to the ones who accepted Jesus As The Lord

But it's all a manner of perspective as to what those works are. If we can identify ourselves with the God within then we are doing the works of the Spirit. If we identify ourselves with just our personality then we are doing the works of the flesh. It's all about awareness.

Perhaps something I read in the book of John - would help you Neo. I read this a long time ago. An believe it to be one of GODS Rocks. JOHN6:63--
Jhn 6:63It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND

Do I understand John 6:63?

Yes, that's why I said "If we can identify ourselves with the God within then we are doing the works of the Spirit. If we identify ourselves with just our personality then we are doing the works of the flesh."

Do you see the two paths in what I said? This is our choice, the razor's edge of decision. At some point in the sojourn of the Soul the personality becomes aware of the Soul and knows for the first time, without need of proof, that the two are one. This point has been called being born again, or the awakening to the light. Christ said that He didn't come to make peace, but rather to bring a sword. This decision point is what the sword represents. It's been said that after the reappearance of Christ millions upon millions of people around the world will experience this first initiation of being born again. They will for the first time in their Soul's history be convinced as personalities that the Soul exists, and they will know this because they will know it at the Soul level. This is why spiritual (and not necessarily just religious) people are so convinced that God exists, because they know it at the Soul level.


Note the contrast between the two worlds. The world of flesh is the world of form. It's one where "time" works on our bodies, the forms we hold so dear. We age, we change, we are never the same. This is why our dreams of hell are so real in history, because there is never any peace in the world of form. When compared to the formless world of the eternal spirit of energy, the world is form is forever aging and suffering and dying in time.

The formless is the eternal, whereas the form is the ephemeral. And the latter is governed by Father Time, also known as Satan in Christendom.

 

[Neo]

Neo, you don't seem to understand the nature of scholarship. Of course, ancient Judaism expresses a diversity of perspectives on the afterlife. One of those perspectives shared by the Jesus tradition is that evil souls go to "Gehenna," a place of punishment. Whether you embrace or reject Jesus' view is a matter of your subjective judgment.

I don't put too much credence in some of the official orthodox doctrines that were created by the Church. But I do totally embrace Jesus' view, at least as much as I can perceive of it. What I don't embrace are some of the terrible man-made doctrines that were created after the fact. Doctrines that makes no sense to me, such as the doctrine of a literal hell as still espoused by the church. The very idea that God would torture Souls all because they didn't join the right club during their one single life is archaic and out dated. It's a club that I wouldn't want anything to do with because I would feel so bad in some blissful heaven knowing that other people would being tortured and burning in an eternal hell. There must be a different answer to how this myth of hell became so prevalent in our religions.

 

[airclean33]

Do I understand John 6:63?

Yes, that's why I said "If we can identify ourselves with the God within then we are doing the works of the Spirit. If we identify ourselves with just our personality then we are doing the works of the flesh."

Do you see the two paths in what I said? This is our choice, the razor's edge of decision. At some point in the sojourn of the Soul the personality becomes aware of the Soul and knows for the first time, without need of proof, that the two are one. This point has been called being born again, or the awakening to the light. Christ said that He didn't come to make peace, but rather to bring a sword. This decision point is what the sword represents. It's been said that after the reappearance of Christ millions upon millions of people around the world will experience this first initiation of being born again. They will for the first time in their Soul's history be convinced as personalities that the Soul exists, and they will know this because they will know it at the Soul level. This is why spiritual (and not necessarily just religious) people are so convinced that God exists, because they know it at the Soul level.


Note the contrast between the two worlds. The world of flesh is the world of form. It's one where "time" works on our bodies, the forms we hold so dear. We age, we change, we are never the same. This is why our dreams of hell are so real in history, because there is never any peace in the world of form. When compared to the formless world of the eternal spirit of energy, the world is form is forever aging and suffering and dying in time.

The formless is the eternal, whereas the form is the ephemeral. And the latter is governed by Father Time, also known as Satan in Christendom.

Hi there Neo --Are you using the word Soul to get back at me? If you truly believe man is soul ,flesh and ,spirit . what part is soul , and were dose it go in death? As far as being the formless being eternal, This being the spirit. The form being the flesh is ephemeral. Then I agree.

 

[airclean33]

Hi airclean33 -----your quote ---I am in pain most of the time

Hope you are OK Brother ------God Bless --will keep you in my prayers ----remember in our weakness God's Grace is our strength -----Healing Brother is a done deal ---I know you know that ------call in your healing -----get some healing scriptures and pray them -----God's will be done ---

Isaiah 55 ----is a great scripture ----verse 11 ---powerful --as is Mark 11-GW Jesus speaks in verse 23 ------this is a promise 11 My word,It will accomplish whatever I want and achieve whatever I send it to do.”----

Mark 11 :23--- I can guarantee this truth: This is what will be done for someone who doesn’t doubt but believes what he says will happen: He can say to this mountain, ‘Be uprooted and thrown into the sea,’ and it will be done for him ------Notice-- will be done ----Promise -----our job is to believe and receive ------


Isaiah 55GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

TheLord’s Word Will Accomplish Its Task

11 My word, which comes from my mouth, is like the rain and snow.
It will not come back to me without results.
It will accomplish whatever I want
and achieve whatever I send it to do.”


Get Well Brother ------All Glory is God's ------

Hi Unsafe --Thank you Sister I appreciate your preys very much . There had been others here who have said things of the same order. I really do appreciate it. I really didn't mean to tell this but thank you.

 

[Mystic]

Neo, could you embrace this claim: Jesus envisages Gehenna as a postmortem mirror of each separated person's soul essence? That is, after death, those separated from God find themselves in a realm where their thoughts cannot be hidden and where everyone shares their core desires. If that collective creates a Hell, that Hell is nothing more than an extension of their soul essence multiplied by likeminded souls. It is an educational tool to provide the opportunity to make better choices in the direction of spiritual transformation and thus a chance at evolutionary soul progrsssion.

 

[Neo]

Neo, could you embrace this claim: Jesus envisages Gehenna as a postmortem mirror of each separated person's soul essence? That is, after death, those separated from God find themselves in a realm where their thoughts cannot be hidden and where everyone shares their core desires. If that collective creates a Hell, that Hell is nothing more than an extension of their soul essence multiplied by likeminded souls.

Yes, I could agree with that, except for it's not reliant on a collective and nor it is forever. The astral hell you describe is one that many people go through (from what I understand {wink}). It's a hell of one's own making, a hell where one has to reconcile with ones own past. Once the physical body dies then the emotional or astral body needs to dissolve, followed by the dissipation of the lower mental body. Eventually only the "essence" of the three-fold personality is absorbed into the Soul, setting up the karmic binds for future lives.

It is an educational tool to provide the opportunity to make better choices in the direction of spiritual transformation and thus a chance at evolutionary soul progression.

Nicely said. If it steers the person to make right choices, then it can't be that bad.

 

[Neo]

Hi there Neo --Are you using the word Soul to get back at me? If you truly believe man is soul ,flesh and ,spirit . what part is soul , and were dose it go in death? As far as being the formless being eternal, This being the spirit. The form being the flesh is ephemeral. Then I agree.

Hmmm.... not sure why I'd use the word Soul to get back at you, (did I miss something?)

What part is soul and where does it go in death?

Spirit is who and what you really are. It is your real Self, the highest-most part of your being. It is formless and non-divisible, meaning that there is no such as "your" Spirit and "my" Spirit, because all Spirit is ONE.

“As a single sun illuminates the whole world, even so does the One Spirit illumine every body.”
– Krishna, Bhagavad Gita chapter XIII

The Soul, however, is divisible. "It is a permanent entity (after it has been unfolded out of the Spirit) and is the self-conscious individuality or Ego which incarnates and reincarnates in the human kingdom and beyond". It is the “I” of our being. It is the Consciousness Principle, the Mind Principle, in man. The soul is actually the same thing as the mind... The soul reincarnates but the spirit does not. Souls are many but spirit is essentially ONE."

The Spirit is to the Soul what the Soul is to the Body. And LIFE runs through them all.

Another way of considering Spirit, Soul and Body is with the words Life, Consciousness and Form.

 

[Mystic]

Neo, as I said, that is Jesus' understanding of Gehenna, a place from which soul retrievals are possible for those willing to tranform to a higher level.