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dreams and visions played a significant role throughout the old and new testaments as a powerful means through which your idea of God conveys messages.
The article says this -----

Holy Spirit can also reach our hearts through certain supernatural occurrences, such as apparitions or visions of Christ or the Blessed Virgin, and other phenomena.

This is False Doctrine ----the Holy Spirit can't reach your Heart ----God the Father is the only one who can reach and change a Heart----That is not the Job of the Holy Spirit -----and there is not one Scripture that says anyone had a vision or dream in Scripture about Christ or the Virgin Mary that could reach our hearts ------All Man made up Doctrine by the Catholic church -----noting in theses Visions or dreams that says the Holy Spirit can reach our Hearts -----

The Catholic Church prays to Mary and no where in Scripture does God ever say to Pray to Mary ---False Doctrine at it's best in the Catholic Religion ----

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How did God use dreams and visions in the Bible?
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God used dreams and visions (visions are “waking dreams”; see Numbers 24:4) several times in the Bible to communicate with people. Visions seem to have been common enough that their lack was sorely noted. An absence of visions was due at times to a dearth of prophets (1 Samuel 3:1) and other times due to the disobedience of God’s people (1 Samuel 28:6).

Old Testament Dreams and Visions

God used visions in the Old Testament to
reveal His plan, to further His plan, and to put His people in places of influence.

Abraham (Genesis 15:1): God used a vision to restate the Abrahamic Covenant, reminding Abram that he would have a son and be the father of many nations.

Abimelech (Genesis 20:1-7): Abraham’s wife, Sarah, was beautiful—so beautiful that when Abraham came into a new area he occasionally feared that the local ruler would kill him and take Sarah for himself. Abraham told Abimelech king of Gerar that Sarah was his sister (she was his half-sister). Abimelech took Sarah into his harem, but God sent him a dream telling him not to touch Sarah because she was Abraham’s wife. The king returned Sarah to her husband the next morning; the dream had protected Sarah and safeguarded God’s plan for Sarah to be the mother of His chosen people.

Jacob (Genesis 28:10-17): Jacob, with his mother’s help, stole Esau’s firstborn inheritance. Jacob then fled Esau’s anger, and on his journey he had his famous dream of a ladder reaching to heaven on which angels ascended and descended. In this dream Jacob received God’s promise that Abraham’s blessing would be carried on through him.

Joseph (Genesis 37:1-11): Joseph is one of the most famous dreamers, and one of the most famous dream-interpreters, in the Bible. His first recorded dreams are found in Genesis 37. They showed through easily deciphered symbols that Joseph’s family would one day bow to him in respect. His brothers didn’t appreciate the dream and in their hatred sold Joseph into slavery. Eventually, Joseph ended up in prison in Egypt.

Pharaoh’s cupbearer and baker (Genesis 40): While in prison Joseph interpreted some dreams of Pharaoh’s cupbearer and baker. With God’s guidance, he explained that the cupbearer would return to Pharaoh’s service, but the baker would be killed.

Pharaoh (Genesis 41): Two years later, Pharaoh himself had a dream which Joseph interpreted. God’s purpose was to raise Joseph to second-in-command over Egypt and to save the Egyptians and the Israelites from a horrible famine.

Samuel (1 Samuel 3): Samuel had his first vision as a young boy. God told him that judgment was coming upon the sons of Samuel’s mentor, Eli. The young Samuel was faithful to relay the information, and God continued to speak to Samuel through the rest of his life.

The Midianite and Amalekite armies (Judges 7:12-15): The pagan enemies of Israel had a divinely inspired dream. God told Gideon to sneak into the enemy camp at night, and there in the outposts of the camp, Gideon overheard an enemy soldier relate a dream he had just had. The interpretation, from another enemy soldier, mentioned Gideon by name and predicted that Israel would win the battle. Gideon was greatly encouraged by this revelation.

Solomon (1 Kings 3:5): It was in a dream that God gave Solomon the famous offer: "Ask what you wish Me to give you." Solomon chose wisdom.

Daniel (Daniel 2; 4): As He had done for Joseph, God placed Daniel in a position of power and influence by allowing him to interpret a foreign ruler’s dream. This is consistent with God’s propensity to use miracles to identify His messengers. Daniel himself had many dreams and visions, mostly related to future kingdoms of the world and the nation of Israel.

New Testament Dreams and Visions

Visions in the New Testament also served to provide information that was unavailable elsewhere. Specifically, God used visions and dreams to identify Jesus and to establish His church.


Zacharias (Luke 1:5-23): God used a vision to tell Zacharias, an old priest, that he would soon have an important son. Not long after, Zacharias and his wife, Elizabeth, had John the Baptist.

Joseph (Matthew 1:20; 2:13): Joseph would have divorced Mary when he found out she was pregnant, but God sent an angel to him in a dream, convincing him that the pregnancy was of God. Joseph went ahead with the marriage. After Jesus was born, God sent two more dreams, one to tell Joseph to take his family to Egypt so Herod could not kill Jesus and another to tell him Herod was dead and that he could return home.

Pilate’s wife (Matthew 27:19): During Jesus’ trial, Pilate’s wife sent an urgent message to the governor encouraging him to free Jesus. Her message was prompted by a dream she had—a nightmare, really—that convinced her that Jesus was innocent and that Pilate should have nothing to do with His case.

Ananias (Acts 9:10): It would have taken nothing less than a vision from God to convince Ananias, a Christian in Damascus, to visit Paul, the persecutor of Christians. But because Ananias was obedient to God’s leading, Paul regained his sight and found the truth about those he was trying to kill.

Cornelius (Acts 10:1-6): God spoke to an Italian centurion named Cornelius who feared the God of the Jews. In his vision, Cornelius saw an angel who told him where to find Simon Peter and to send for him and listen to his message. Cornelius obeyed the vision, Peter came and preached, and Cornelius and his household full of Gentiles were saved by the grace of God.

Peter (Acts 10:9-15): While Peter was praying on the rooftop of a house in Joppa, God gave him a vision of animals lowered in something like a sheet. A voice from heaven told Peter to kill the animals (some of which were unclean) and eat them. The vision served to show that Christians are not bound by kosher law and that God had pronounced Gentiles “clean”; that is, heaven is open to all who follow Jesus.

Paul: Paul had several visions in his missionary career. One sent him to preach in Macedonia (Acts 16:9-10). Another encouraged him to keep preaching in Corinth (Acts 18:9-11). God also gave him a vision of heaven (2 Corinthians 12:1-6).

John (Revelation): Nearly the entire book of Revelation is a vision John had while exiled on the island of Patmos. John’s vision explains in more detail some of the events that God had shown Daniel.

Today’s Dreams and Visions

With the completion of the Bible, God does not have to use dreams and visions as much as He did before. That is not to say that He cannot or does not; God can communicate with us however He chooses. But when we have a decision to make, our first stop should always be the Bible, not a dream
 
@unsafe I don't subscribe to the Bible the way you do.

This quote by The Christ in the gospel of Thomas part of the Apocrypha was excluded from the secular canon "When you know yourselves then you will be known and you will know that you are the sons of the living God but if you do not know yourselves then you are in poverty and you are poverty."

People talk about the bible being the truth but it was torn apart and put back together by people like Constantine a murderer of his own family. Why should I trust this wolf in sheep's clothing corrupted version of the bible?

The poet Rumi said the truth is like a mirror that fell from the heavens and shattered into a thousand pieces. People came from all parts of the world. grabbed one piece and thought they had found the truth.

A metaphor for the nature of truth. Divided it becomes lost in the translation.

Once the mirror is put back together the truth will be revealed.

It's right there in your face. :angel:
 
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@unsafe I don't subscribe to the Bible the way you do.

This quote by The Christ in the gospel of Thomas part of the Apocrypha was excluded from the secular canon "When you know yourselves then you will be known and you will know that you are the sons of the living God but if you do not know yourselves then you are in poverty and you are poverty."

People talk about the bible being the truth but it was torn apart and put back together by people like Constantine a murderer of his own family. Why should I trust this wolf in sheep's clothing corrupted version of the bible?

The poet Rumi said the truth is like a mirror that fell from the heavens and shattered into a thousand pieces. People came from all parts of the world. grabbed one piece and thought they had found the truth.

A metaphor for the nature of truth. Divided it becomes lost in the translation.

Once the mirror is put back together the truth will be revealed.

It's right there in your face. :angel:

Yet ... imagine all the stuff that a mass of folk (social thing) cannot gather! Thus a lot of dark matter to plough through as Ares, or Cupid.

The little church I attend for the sake of debate; sings a song abut opening of the heart as related to the giving and sacrificial portion of the service ... some don't give a damn ... it is all about receiving and yet they refuse anything that lifts the entire collective ... societal collapse? Ceil tales ... stories of that great out there ... in an aphorism! A kind of thing meant to spin the tongue the other way for those determined to choke up some misunderstanding ... they believe theirs is the only way ... and thus outstanding in their field (Wahl) ... as ET may be encountered ... the extraterrestrial nature of psycho Sah? Did you know that Sah was an ancient expression regarding the head ... and there have been many heads displaced by power while the humble tends to ferment under the surface to a Dais of reckoning ... this being frequently unseen and ineffable ... The Silence on the Laam? There was a novel produced close to this title ... by a psychologist nonetheless!

Humble brings on recess and shrinks ... a period to chew over the unconscious events and instance 's ... mental impacts? Innate item of interest for those looking towards the core ...
 

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This is for people who Have Received Jesus in their hearts as their Lord and Saviour only ---not for unbelievers and the Love here is Agape ---not human love --and the Holy Spirit comes to indwell the believer ----God is ---Agape ---

Your twisting scripture to suit your need ----
 

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This is for people who Have Received Jesus in their hearts as their Lord and Saviour only ---not for unbelievers and the Love here is Agape ---not human love --and the Holy Spirit comes to indwell the believer ----God is ---Agape ---

Your twisting scripture to suit your need ----
You really believe the Holy Spirit can't enter an unbelievers heart?
 
@unsafe

King Solomon once advised his son:
“Keep your heart with all diligence, For out of it spring the issues of life.”

The issues of life flow out of our innermost being.

As they spring out our spirit man perceives them, so that we may appropriately react to them in the spirit.

And again Solomon wrote:
“He who is slow to anger is better than the mighty, And he who rules his spirit than he who takes a city.”

We are the only one who has the ability, to weigh what comes to and through our heart. When we do not pay attention to the witness in our inner man, we open our lives up to be devoured by the enemy.

Every human being on earth has the ability, to perceive spiritual truth to certain extent.

But unfortunately not everyone will accept spiritual truth.

I am created in the image of God, with that same ability in God to perceive spiritual truths.

Atheists do have that ability also.

Often our struggles in the flesh impede our perception of spiritual truths.

Jesus told Nicodemus:
“The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.””

It is all about the power of perception.

I am a seeker living in this natural world and my ability to perceive spiritual truth is always being tested.

I have no claim to the right way to interpret the words in the bible I just quote them like you do @unsafe to suit my own purpose.

After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him,

Immediately coming up out of the water, He saw the heavens opening, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon Him.

The Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, “You are My beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased.”
 

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Every human being on earth has the ability, to perceive spiritual truth to certain extent.

No they don't not according to God ------so again your spout False Doctrine​

1 CORINTHIANS 2:14
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But the natural [unbelieving] man does not accept the things [the teachings and revelations] of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness [absurd and illogical] to him; and he is incapable of understanding them, because they are spiritually discerned and appreciated, [and he is unqualified to judge spiritual matters].

And ------your whole post above is pointless ---it has nothing to do with the Vatican article about the holy spirit reaching our hearts through apparitions or visions ----
The article says this -----

Holy Spirit can also reach our hearts through certain supernatural occurrences, such as apparitions or visions of Christ or the Blessed Virgin, and other phenomena.

The Holy Spirit Today indwells the heart of a person who becomes born again -----in the Old Testament the Holy Spirit came upon the the person to given them ability to preform a special task that God the Father wanted done ---the Holy Spirit NEVER went around like the wind landing on unbelievers and making them in right standing with God -----anyone who thinks that or speaks that is deceiving themselves and others -------it is false Doctrine
 
You really believe the Holy Spirit can't enter an unbelievers heart?
An unbeliever doesn't want the Holy Spirit in their heart ----the unbeliever has a Hardened heart towards God and His Word and so God allows the unbeliever to have their hardened heart as God gave His Human creation free will to choose ----God does not force anyone to have a heart change to receive the Holy Spirit in their heart ---

----God the Father has to change the hardened heart of an unbeliever to a Soft Heart to accept His Word and desire it and believe it ---and the unbeliever has free choice to choose to accept God's drawing or not ----if they refuse the drawing then they are SOL for receiving the Holy Spirit which comes by accepting Jesus as your Lord and saviour now

Jesus said this -----

John 6:44

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No one is able to come to Me unless the Father Who sent Me attracts and draws him and gives him the desire to come to Me, and [then] I will raise him up [from the dead] at the last day.

this word draw here means -----

Strong's Concordance
helkó: to drag

Usage: I drag, draw, pull, persuade, unsheathe.
HELPS Word-studies
1670 helkýō – properly, induce (draw in), focusing on the attraction-power involved with the drawing.
 
An unbeliever doesn't want the Holy Spirit in their heart ----the unbeliever has a Hardened heart towards God and His Word and so God allows the unbeliever to have their hardened heart as God gave His Human creation free will to choose ----God does not force anyone to have a heart change to receive the Holy Spirit in their heart ---

----God the Father has to change the hardened heart of an unbeliever to a Soft Heart to accept His Word and desire it and believe it ---and the unbeliever has free choice to choose to accept God's drawing or not ----if they refuse the drawing then they are SOL for receiving the Holy Spirit which comes by accepting Jesus as your Lord and saviour now

Jesus said this -----

John 6:44

AMPC
No one is able to come to Me unless the Father Who sent Me attracts and draws him and gives him the desire to come to Me, and [then] I will raise him up [from the dead] at the last day.

this word draw here means -----

Strong's Concordance
helkó: to drag

Usage: I drag, draw, pull, persuade, unsheathe.
HELPS Word-studies
1670 helkýō – properly, induce (draw in), focusing on the attraction-power involved with the drawing.

Sounds very human rather than non judgmental spirit of a non-material entity that can penetrate the ugliest psyche ... cracking an ugly thing like that could let light in and generate a brighter soul ... that'd be a change! There are powerful myths abut such processes ...
 
"Sounds very human rather than non judgmental spirit of a non-material entity that can penetrate the ugliest psyche ... cracking an ugly thing like that could let light in and generate a brighter soul ... that'd be a change! There are powerful myths abut such processes ..."

Well Said @Luce NDs :alien::cool:(y)
 
"your whole post above is pointless ---it has nothing to do with the Vatican article about the holy spirit reaching our hearts through apparitions or visions ----"
@unsafe

In many parts of the world, God seems to be using visions and dreams extensively. In areas where there is little or no gospel message available, and where people do not have Bibles, God takes messages to people directly through dreams and visions. This is entirely consistent with the biblical example of visions being frequently used by God to reveal truth to people in the early days of Christianity. If God desires to communicate a message to a person, God can use whatever means God finds necessary—a missionary, an angel, a vision, or a dream. Of course, God also has the ability to give visions in areas where the gospel message is already readily available. There is no limit to what the holy spirit of God can do.
 
"your whole post above is pointless ---it has nothing to do with the Vatican article about the holy spirit reaching our hearts through apparitions or visions ----"
@unsafe

In many parts of the world, God seems to be using visions and dreams extensively. In areas where there is little or no gospel message available, and where people do not have Bibles, God takes messages to people directly through dreams and visions. This is entirely consistent with the biblical example of visions being frequently used by God to reveal truth to people in the early days of Christianity. If God desires to communicate a message to a person, God can use whatever means God finds necessary—a missionary, an angel, a vision, or a dream. Of course, God also has the ability to give visions in areas where the gospel message is already readily available. There is no limit to what the holy spirit of God can do.

Except in the determined minds that God gave them power to rule the world ... isn't that the devil to speak of that possibility?

May depend on what side of the pious mind the advocate stands ... schizoid is like divine ... bifurcated ... crotchety in the tree of sapiens ... the devil may care when adding to the fire for the rheum 'd roast ... a' fete?
 
In myth there is the juice and the ju'd and mythologically Jude has an awesome punch! What can this mean?

Since it is mythical and non literal it can blow about ... let us go to the river and wash up ... may need some flush also ...
 
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