My view on this -----
JRT ----Your statement here ------- • If some people will end up in eternal torment,
is God unable or unwilling to save
them?
JRT ---God wants all people to receive His Son in their Heart who can Save us ----Salvation is a choice for us to make ---Jesus died and provided the way to salvation for us ------the New Covenant of Grace ---provided the way -----now Grace comes through Faith -------Faith in what Jesus did on the Cross is needed --what His Death did and what His Blood did ---this Faith comes by hearing the word of God ------that is what the scriptures says ------
-This scripture was given to the Jewish Nation ----it gives choice -----If anyone was not a Jew by birth then they were known as a Gentile and were not under the 613 laws -----the Gentile Nation was a doomed nation because of their sins ----they had no recourse --Until ---Jesus came and they were Grafted into the Jewish fold to have the same benefit as the Jewish Nation ----to choose Salvation by Grace through Faith IN Jesus Christ ----- or not
Read the whole chapter -----this verse stands today ----
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+30%3A15-20&version=ERV
Deuteronomy 30:15-20 (ERV)
15 “Today I have given
you a choice between life and death, success and disaster.[
a] 16 I command you today to love the Lord your God. I
My view and posting part of the chapter
Now Romans 9 -----verse 19 is what your quote -------But to really understand this verse you need to read the whole chapter ---you can't just pick one verse and create your own Doctrine out of it ------the context is needed
I say -----So this is the part of the chapter -----and in there is your verse ----I suggest you read the whole chapter
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+9&version=NIV
God’s Sovereign Choice
6 It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.”[
b]
8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring. 9 For this was how the promise was stated: “At the appointed time I will return, and Sarah will have a son.”[
c]
10 Not only that, but Rebekah’s children were conceived at the same time by our father Isaac.
11 Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God’s purpose in election might stand: 12 not by works but by him who calls—she was told, “The older will serve the younger.”[d] 13 Just as it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”[e]
14 What then shall we say?
Is God unjust? Not at all! 15 For he says to Moses,
“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”[
f]
16 It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy.
17 For Scripture
says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.”[g]
18 Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
19 One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?” 20 But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’”[
h] 21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?
I say -------Verse 19 is your concern ----
For who is able to resist his will?” ------so lets see what the Greek word for Will here
means -----
Strong's Concordance
bouléma: purpose, will
Definition: purpose, will
Usage: will, counsel,
purpose. intention
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 1013 boúlēma (a neuter noun) – a
pre-set, fully-resolved plan.
1013 (
boúlēma) only occurs three times (critical text, Ac 27:43;
Ro 9:19; 1 Pet 4:3).
See 1012 (
boulē).
I say ----So this has nothing to do with individual people receiving Jesus in their hearts To be Saved by Faith in Jesus ------this here is referring to God's plan from before the Foundation of the world ---God used who He wanted and when He wanted to bring about the coming of His Son to die on the cross --to shed His Blood to rectify what we humans did in the garden -----
No one will be able to change God's will in what He wants to happen in this world ----His plan is still playing out and believe me when He takes out His wrath on this world when His will wants it to Happen ---No one will stop GOD'S WILL here ---and He will use whoever He wants when He wants to achieve His Sovereign plan -----and if we think this what is happening now is bad ----it is nothing as to what is in God's plan for the destruction of this earth in the end times -----
I say ----- Jonah was used to bring about His Plan by His Sovereign Will -----Jonah tried to resist God's Will -----and God used drastic measures to bring him to do His will ----Jonah realized that he couldn't resist His Will
Pharaoh was used by God's Sovereign Will to bring about His Plan in Egypt -----
By His Sovereign Will God chose Jacob instead of Esau ----To Fulfil His plan ----
