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chansen said:
Not really, we're somewhere north of 8 billion in number, though we're coming up more novel ways to potentially reduce that number all the time. And it's more like 250,000 years.
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Yeah, I am more worried about the myriad other species that really are on the brink of extinction thanks to us. We aren't going away that soon, though I also suspect we are not going to match the longevity of certain other life unless we get a lot wiser (note my choice of words, we are quite smart, it's wisdom in how we apply that intelligence that we seem to lack) and are highly likely to be the authors of our own demise.
 
chansen said:
I suppose the place mirrors society a bit. We've had a number of people come through our doors with the obvious intent to proselytize. It hasn't seemed to have taken.
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Wrong ... I do believe something got up and left due to no appreciative respect ... the psyche? All remains un thu 'n que as implication ... integral lack of intellect ... a great hole, or outer space? Tis beyond me I'm stupid as knowledge is declared bad during intimate examinations ... mind readers?

This debatable discussion could heat up ...
 
Mendalla said:
Yeah, I am more worried about the myriad other species that really are on the brink of extinction thanks to us. We aren't going away that soon, though I also suspect we are not going to match the longevity of certain other life unless we get a lot wiser (note my choice of words, we are quite smart, it's wisdom in how we apply that intelligence that we seem to lack) and are highly likely to be the authors of our own demise.
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Like I said, we’re not actually safe from extinction today - all life forms except maybe cockroaches. We’re really stupid unwise.
 
Mendalla said:
And most have passed on their merry way. Unsafe is the only one to remain at this point.

Proselytization only works, IMHO and IME, on people who are already receptive on some level. Maybe they're closet Christians looking for a reason to come out, maybe they've had a shock in life and are looking for something to cling to/lean on, maybe they are just in the right frame of mind, but there's generally something that makes them receptive. You and I are clearly not in that headspace.
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Supports the "thy rod and stick support me"! Sadistic side of Manicheism ... where someone has to take a beating to learn about taboos ... and twists?
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
There’s got to be a parallel universe/ alternate history/ more “heavenly” existence. Because after 2.5 million years of human evolution, we’ve taken ourselves to the brink of extinction - some are Ivy League animals even - we're some real dumbasses who need saving and there’s got to be a place where we’ve come together. I have faith that such a place exists. It’s impossible to have proof, so I’m agnostic. Maybe it’s in the future, maybe it’s in some quantum reality.

That said, the notion of a God who would create us as being fallible so that we screw up so much and hurt each other and experience tragedy so he could save us sounds like a psychopath and I’m having a hard time with that. Not very happy with him, if he exists. He’s not making sense.

Consciousness comes from somewhere. We may not have free will. Those are things to consider. I’m angry with the idea that God would set humans up for all this pain and tragedy. I have faith that that isn’t necessary, if that makes sense. I don’t have faith that all this destruction is good.

The teachings of Jesus still make sense. I’m still Christian.
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With a lot of heated beating there has to be some warmed Eire somewhere ... northern sweat lodge? Put some stones next to the fire and someone will deny the placing ...
 
Mendalla said:
Yeah, I am more worried about the myriad other species that really are on the brink of extinction thanks to us. We aren't going away that soon, though I also suspect we are not going to match the longevity of certain other life unless we get a lot wiser (note my choice of words, we are quite smart, it's wisdom in how we apply that intelligence that we seem to lack) and are highly likely to be the authors of our own demise.
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You expand unceasingly with a lot of hot air ... and something is bound to be cooked ... plasma's lick ... Eire thins ...
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
Like I said, we’re not actually safe from extinction today - all life forms except maybe cockroaches. We’re really stupid unwise.
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There's an interesting discussion to be had here, but it is off-topic for this thread. Maybe I'll respond in a new thread later. TLDR is that I don't think we'll prove that easy to get rid of given a few factors.
 
Mendalla said:
There's an interesting discussion to be had here, but it is off-topic for this thread. Maybe I'll respond in a new thread later. TLDR is that I don't think we'll prove that easy to get rid of given a few factors.
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It’s not one I really want to have. I’m just saying I have faith that there’s a world in some place in time where all this brutality and destruction isn’t and never was necessary.
 
Mendalla said:
There's an interesting discussion to be had here, but it is off-topic for this thread. Maybe I'll respond in a new thread later. TLDR is that I don't think we'll prove that easy to get rid of given a few factors.
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Is extinction like some kind of deterioration and elimination scheme by the freedom movement in the constitutional seizing?

There was an excellent article in the NY magazine in October about flying words ... flapping freedom?
 
Mendalla said:
Odd that a "Religion & Faith" board seems to have so little of the latter anymore, eh.
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And not a ton of the former.

If I think of the self-styled "preachers" we've been subjected to over the years, a number have had toxic personalities and couldn't deal with the pushback, often even from United ministers. Others perhaps gave up on us. Unsafe being the energizer bunny, she's still banging her drum, undaunted by the lack of buy in.

What those folks did was drive discussion, however.
 
Mendalla said:
What "facts"?
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My View

the intellectual Faith that worldly humans have is the fact that you can believe in something without commitment or proof ----this Faith is not of the heart but of the intellectual mind ----and relies on your worldly 5 senses -----this Faith is dead Faith ----you have Faith in what is already tangible in this world ----Faith in your Parents to look after you ---faith in your Doctor to treat you --Faith in the pill you take to help heal you ----Faith in the chair you sit in to hold you -- ---this Faith has nothing to do with a journey ------

Mendalla said:
There are no empirically testable facts about the existence of a Deity or an afterlife
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There isn't with Human Faith which relies on your 5 senses
---------There is if you have God;s Saving Faith ---which is faith in the unseen -----you have evidence of a Deity and of an afterlife written down in His Book the Bible -----which describes Both God and the afterlife in great detail ------so this Faith comes from the heart not from the head -------This Faith can grow deeper in the person as they Journey in the unseen realm

Doubting Thomas is a perfect example of intellectual Human Faith -----no journey here

Noah and Abraham are perfect examples of God's Faith being imparted to them in their hearts to obey what was in the unseen future and not in their immediate sight ------there is a journey here ------
 
Does God have something to do with the soul item ... a singularity to monkey with ... especially the 3 parts of deaf, blind and the other? Is that outstanding and numinous ... the emotional part has no idea about the function ...
 
unsafe said:
ou have evidence of a Deity and of an afterlife written down in His Book the Bible -----which describes Both God and the afterlife in great detail
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And once again, that is faith, not fact. You believe this, myriads do not. A devout Muslim (I happen to know a couple) would say the same thing about the Qu'ran and neither you nor they could prove which is actual "truth" in any way that is meaningful to a non-believer like me or chansen. You would probably have a better chance of converting each other, in fact, than converting us since you would both start from a similar baseline assumption that absolute truth can be found in a book and involves a God.
 
Wasn't it Gertrude Stein that said that truth was good but it would p*ss you off first? We never ask any "why's" about there things all about us ... cowed? Maybe HS ...
 
As usual, the best rebuttal of the claims of unsafe and many proselytizers with similar "quirks" is just to stand back and stare in awe. If these are the best spokespeople God can muster...not much else needs to be done.

I was more aggressive with people like Berserk because he was textbook evil and had a pseudo-intellectual quality that might drag people in. Thankfully, his personality had the opposite effect. At their core his claims were based on similar smoke and mirrors as all the others. That was worth pointing out, in my mind.

I wish some more of blackbelt, AC33, etc had stuck around. Yes, they were great straight men, but they did keep things more interesting.
 
chansen said:
As usual, the best rebuttal of the claims of unsafe and many proselytizers with similar "quirks" is just to stand back and stare in awe. If these are the best spokespeople God can muster...not much else needs to be done.
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I agree totally. Something that has no evidence whatsoever is true. Makes perfect sense.
 
Pavlos Maros said:
I agree totally. Something that has no evidence whatsoever is true. Makes perfect sense.
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What could be more unbelievable among the stoic? It is like black Satan ... slick ... but an opposed idealism ... quite dark and mysterious causing rebound effect! Like David ... off the wall ... there the fabric collapsed!
 
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