What Legacy Does Trump Leave?

[jimkenney12]

People as in a collective?

Have you heard of the Technate of America?

They called it Technocracy Inc.

One of its key architects was a man named Joshua Haldeman.

He also happens to be Elon Musk's maternal Grandfather.


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The Technate of America maps extends from Greenland to Venezuela

Of course to be ruled by a small collective of Billionaire Tech-CEOs.

This is how they imagined it:

One system. One grid. Automated production. Central planning. No politicians. No markets. Only engineers. Only efficiency. You consume energy. You are allocated energy. Your life becomes a ledger. Democracy was called inefficient. Human emotion was called noise.

People dismissed it back then.

But ideas don’t die. They wait.

Google. Meta. X. Tesla. Oracle. Open AI. Data everywhere. Surveillance normalized. Algorithms deciding visibility. Universal systems. Digital identity. Programmable money. Energy credits. Carbon scores. Noble sounding SDGs

Systems don’t have morals. They optimize. For the common good?

History doesn’t repeat cleanly, but old blueprints reappear when conditions allow them to function?

Collectivism is the triumph of the few over the collected masses?e

There are many kinds of collectivism. A technocracy is not like democratic socialism.

 

[Luce NDs]

I've always been a student of strange things ... like a greater mind than we often encounter in lower levels of study ... just an organ of the templar mode? It is all in the head man ... do not be the point man for everyone is there to shoot you down ... take up position in the midst ... its clouded and misty ... fear nothing because it is all abstract ... no absolutes as these take a turn also! Things you learn just before slipping out of sight in the midnight sum ... mysterious item of bother ...

Tossing tampons out the window ... if in the drain they are more troublesome ... bloodied phenomes ... what's a Nome? Something of a hummer ...

Some factors declare that the medium in proper form is a tall thin item ... no width to it as it is given to depth ... like Mary's pondering a message (missal) from d' ark angel ... Gabriel? Unknowing came over her ... emotionally she was a mess until her condition was comprehended ... Hoo Dah known ... somebody got it? It is a given ... a metaphor of ode onus ...

Odes Arp Hoar critical presentations ... indicating heat arising ... Ariz Onah? Water is leaking out ... tears floe ... weep'ng san gno shing ... chur Ninj! Some say Chere ... that Sur! Deep and dark lassie ... counter dog ... accounts for dahs heep ...

What's "dahs"? Alternate form of Dutch time ... vere dated? Kahn time collapse ... be contained? Imagine time bottled an Jaered ... do not let it out for it may come back at Yah ...

Like Onah'n-ism ... and their alternates departing ... dis possession?

The dotter said she went to the party with her father and returned with her mother ... insinuating that Ur got it ... anonymously shell put it together ... its vivra ... some say vibrant ... and with shimmies!

The classical type say shimmer down ... and thus redaction ... out-ve-sight! Red lights ...

Yet ... how many understand emotional goings on ... so the go' the ... a long narrative ... myst Erie? Weird A; ...

 

[Luce NDs]

Can such items be bothered with knowing and understanding? The shimmers have ups, downs, backs, fort*es, rights and remnants appear ... partisans?

Wasn't that a great party until it flame 'd out ...

 

[Luce NDs]

Are truffle like toad stools but more economical than the high priced? Toxic ... enter the hot potato ...

Solanum tuber sum ... source of solace matter ... resting in the dirt! Implications are fierce ...

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

The hot potato is unecessary. Don’t under appreciate potato flowers, either.

 

[chansen]

First, it's good to see people aren't taking Rita (Whyczar) seriously.

As general commentary on Trump, he's giving the world a masterclass in Frontotemporal Dementia and its symptoms. Confabulation being chief among them.

 

[Mendalla]

It's funny that kings and queens going a bit "off in the head" is one of the arguments against hereditary monarchies and yet here's the world's largest democratic republic dealing with a president who is way more than a bit "off in the head" and dealing with it very badly. Congress should be a check on his power and instead its being kept impotent in that role because the GOP keep deferring to him. At least with MAGA getting more and more frustrated with him, maybe there's a chance of the GOP growing a pair and starting to provide those "checks and balances".

 

[KayTheCurler]

There was a time when Kings decided to have a war and led their army into battle. The British royal family still serve in their military. The egotistical fool that the States have for a President is known to be a draft dodging coward.

 

[Luce NDs]

There was a time when Kings decided to have a war and led their army into battle. The British royal family still serve in their military. The egotistical fool that the States have for a President is known to be a draft dodging coward.

And people tell me that confusion is better than clarity ... if they could only read into the fear of hot potatoes ... there are some benefits to these creatures! Interests in potatoes was extreme in various times and places ... curious eh?

 

[WhyCzar]

There are many kinds of collectivism. A technocracy is not like democratic socialism.

OK. I don’t see Trump's legacy as ushering in democratic socialism.

He’s a billionaire rich capitalist aligned with the new "Technocracy"

Mamdani on the other hand…

 

[Mendalla]

There was a time when Kings decided to have a war and led their army into battle. The British royal family still serve in their military.

Though to be totally fair, the only ones to actually go into combat in my lifetime have been Andrew and Harry, both third or lower in the succession at the time they went into battle. And they weren't generals or anything, just field officers (Andrew was a helicopter pilot in the Falklands; IIRC, Harry was an infantry machine gunner in Afghanistan). So I would argue still a far cry from someone like Alexander the Great or, more relevant to the British line, English kings like Henry V who actually led armies and fought battles while on the throne. But, yeah, there was definitely a time when the guys who started wars were actually expected to fight them rather than sitting in a cozy chair playing armchair general.

 

[GordW]

Though to be totally fair, the only ones to actually go into combat in my lifetime have been Andrew and Harry, both third or lower in the succession at the time they went into battle. And they weren't generals or anything, just field officers (Andrew was a helicopter pilot in the Falklands; IIRC, Harry was an infantry machine gunner in Afghanistan). So I would argue still a far cry from someone like Alexander the Great or, more relevant to the British line, English kings like Henry V who actually led armies and fought battles while on the throne. But, yeah, there was definitely a time when the guys who started wars were actually expected to fight them rather than sitting in a cozy chair playing armchair general.

IIRC George II was the last British monarch to lead troops into battle. And even then I suspect he was not in the forefront....

 

[WhyCzar]

those "checks and balances".

Trump can only do what he does because he inherited a system that allows it.
When you remove the media sensationalism, the only difference between Trump and his predecessors is that Trump is hardly making an effort to veil it in “freedom and democracy”.

 

[GordW]

Trump can only do what he does because he inherited a system that allows it.
When you remove the media sensationalism, the only difference between Trump and his predecessors is that Trump is hardly making an effort to veil it in “freedom and democracy”.

Disagree. PAst presdents have had their initiatives blocked by Congress numerous times -- sometimes to the effect of governmental deadlock. This Congress (both the house and the Senate) have shown little to no inclination to even question the executive branch. True it happens more when different parties hold control of differnt branches of the government.

 

[Mendalla]

IIRC George II was the last British monarch to lead troops into battle. And even then I suspect he was not in the forefront....

300 years sounds about right. Of course, a big chunk of that was Victoria and Elizabeth II and there's no way a woman was going into battle in the 19th or 20th century, queen or not. Elizabeth at least served on WWII though as a mechanic or something and she wasn't queen yet.

 

[WhyCzar]

Disagree. PAst presdents have had their initiatives blocked by Congress numerous times -- sometimes to the effect of governmental deadlock. This Congress (both the house and the Senate) have shown little to no inclination to even question the executive branch. True it happens more when different parties hold control of differnt branches of the government.

I asked Grok to Summarize to one paragraph:
Congress has repeatedly failed to assert its constitutional war powers authority across administrations of both parties, allowing presidents to conduct unilateral military actions through institutional weakness driven by partisanship, deference to executive national security claims, and reluctance to challenge popular operations. Under Democratic presidents, Congress took no binding action against Obama's 2011 Libya intervention (which exceeded War Powers Resolution limits) or his expanded ISIS campaign relying on stretched AUMFs; similarly, under Republican presidents, it failed to override Trump's vetoes of resolutions ending U.S. involvement in Yemen or to enforce limits after his Soleimani strike and Syria attacks. Broader bipartisan abdications include repeatedly stalling repeal of outdated 2001/2002 AUMFs despite cross-party efforts, and never successfully enforcing the War Powers Resolution since 1973—patterns that erode the Framers' intent for legislative primacy in war-making and highlight a structural failure of checks and balances perpetuated by gridlock and political convenience rather than strict partisanship.

 

[KayTheCurler]

300 years sounds about right. Of course, a big chunk of that was Victoria and Elizabeth II and there's no way a woman was going into battle in the 19th or 20th century, queen or not. Elizabeth at least served on WWII though as a mechanic or something and she wasn't queen yet.

For me, the facts that matter include Royals being willing to serve in some way, against today's acceptance of a dishonest draft dodger.

 

[Mendalla]

For me, the facts that matter include Royals being willing to serve in some way, against today's acceptance of a dishonest draft dodger.

I would argue that the problem is the dishonest part. A lot of people dodged the draft for good ethical reasons. Many of them came to Canada during the Vietnam era since we weren't sending them back and were not involved in the war ourselves. And those draft dodgers were often highly regarded in many circles for their defiance and stand in favour of peace.

The problem in Don's case is that he used a dishonest "medical problem" to dodge the draft and had no interest in protesting an unjust, ill-considered war. He just wanted to avoid military service because he wanted to make money.

 

[Luce NDs]

I would argue that the problem is the dishonest part. A lot of people dodged the draft for good ethical reasons. Many of them came to Canada during the Vietnam era since we weren't sending them back and were not involved in the war ourselves. And those draft dodgers were often highly regarded in many circles for their defiance and stand in favour of peace.

The problem in Don's case is that he used a dishonest "medical problem" to dodge the draft and had no interest in protesting an unjust, ill-considered war. He just wanted to avoid military service because he wanted to make money.

A late friend once said that everything is for sale ... so it has to go too ... that's marketing for yah!

If you are selling something without a reputation would that allow for an advertising industry? Advertising is explosive ...

 

[WhyCzar]

He just wanted to avoid military service because he wanted to make money.

He could have fled to Canada.

The conscription system led many young men to seek ways to avoid service. Common methods included obtaining student deferments, and claiming medical exemptions, like Trump and Biden did.