Kind've like the emperor being reduced to rye status as against the mortal strain ... rye? That's naked point missed by those of a superlative high ... Daffyd-us driven into the streets?
What Legacy Does Trump Leave?
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Kind've like the emperor being reduced to rye status as against the mortal strain ... rye? That's naked point missed by those of a superlative high ... Daffyd-us driven into the streets?
I'm calling your bluff. Name the "questionable talking points." You do realize that the violence-inducing Schumer quote was all over the news when it happened, right? Readers will notice how you duck all the posted great initiatives Trump provided for our indigenous people and for lowering our prescription drug prices. And, unable to shed your myopic black and white blinders, you keep forgetting that I am ultimately an anti-Trumper myself, who is trying to see if any Canucks here are capable of balanced and fair judgments of opposing perspectives.
A stacked committee of Dems and Dem-picked Trump haters (all thankfully disgraced and excised from the party). So there will be a judicial referral, but you will get an education in justice because the Justice Department will not act on this referral and the witch hunt will be investigated by the Republican House.
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The thing with the US is, technically that's how they started. From a UK standpoint, the American Revolution was an insurrection against their lawful monarch George III. And the Civil War was basically then an insurrection against the US by the southern states. Even the second amendment arguably has some of that in its DNA. So, arguably, insurrection is hardwired into their culture by history. You see it again and again in the modern era with the militia movement, KKK, Proud Boys, and so on.It seems Mystic is fine with a president inciting an insurrection.
Whereas our rare insurrections have so small and relatively harmless, they have sometimes become historical jokes (e.g. the 1837 rebellion in Upper Canada) and even the more serious ones (e.g. the FLQ) haven't really lasted or taken hold in the broader culture. We just don't have that history, even if some are attempting to import and impose it from the US.
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I realize that. So does that history make it okay today?
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No, but I think it is something to mindful of where their culture is concerned. There is a non-zero percentage of the population who think an insurrection is a good thing because their forefathers did it in the name of "liberty". And while Trump may be an extreme example, the idea that there is a God-given right and even duty to resist a "tyrannical" government is hardly a new thing down there. Even the sixties counter-culture had some of that going on, leading to some of the more violent manifestations of it. We may not like it, but we have to recognize that it is in the culture down there and even getting rid of Trump isn't going to change that. Frankly, I am more surprised that January 6 did not set the stage for more insurrectionist activity than that it happened or that Trump supported it.
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Well, there is a bit of nuance to toss in. The 18th century colonies, for the most part, likely hadn't sworn an oath to support the British monarch and government. They also provided clear, thought-out reasons for what they were doing, the Declaration of Independence. Mr. Trump, on the other hand, had taken an oath to 'preserve, protect, and defend' the Constitution, the rules of which he ignored, and not that long ago suggested it be 'terminated.' The most thought-out reason he had for doing what he did was, "They stole my election!" which has repeatedly been shown to be a falsehood. There is some distinction to be made, I'd suggest.
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OTOH, some of those supporting the insurrection are alleging it's the Dems and "big government" that have infringed the Constitution and that an insurrection is needed to protect it.
I think it's a load of hooey and that they need to have their sorry little butts kicked (in court of course but if they actually come out in force again, the military is an option), but there is a culture of insurrection in the US that definitely informs this whole mess.
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Yeah, I think that came from one of my parents. They weren't as liberal with their four-letter words as I am.
Redbaron
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Another aspect of the effort to cover-up and hide the truth, that will also be a lasting part of the legacy.
www.huffpost.com
Jan. 6 Committee Says Donald Trump Associates Tried To Bribe Witnesses
Rep. Zoe Lofgren said a lawyer affiliated with Trump offered a witness a well-paying job if she refused to talk to the committee.
I guess I need to rub Redbaron's nose in the evidence he irrationally doubts:
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You know what? This thread really reminds me why I hate Trump threads. There is really no middle ground on this guy. You love him or you hate him. Even I fall into the latter camp and I am usually a middle ground kind of guy.
In discussion site terms, it means threads about him inevitably degenerate into sniping and snarking. It happened to our last one, too.
I am not going to lock the thread or anything, just musing about the existence of a thread that is practically guaranteed to lead to rules violations (there's been a few mild ones already, IIRC, that I am just too war-weary to deal with) and show this site at its worst.
Good night.
In discussion site terms, it means threads about him inevitably degenerate into sniping and snarking. It happened to our last one, too.
I am not going to lock the thread or anything, just musing about the existence of a thread that is practically guaranteed to lead to rules violations (there's been a few mild ones already, IIRC, that I am just too war-weary to deal with) and show this site at its worst.
Good night.
You continually ignore Trump's appeal on Jan. 6 for "peaceful" demonstrations, something Schumer did not do in his far more violent rhetoric that resulted in attempted murder of Kavanagh, death threats against Supreme Court Justices, and violent protests outside their residences. But even apart from that, your hypocrisy remains obvious. And as I keep on reminding you, I am anti-Trump. I'd just like to see a modicum of balance and fairness from woke UCCan progressives.
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Are you referring to his statement/video which he did hours after the Capitol was breached? The one where he said he loved the protestors? The one he did not want to make? That appeal for "peaceful" demonstrations.
You have peaceful in quotes. What does that mean?
No, the one prior to the riot where his plea for "peaceful" demonstration will help you grasp why the Dept. of Defense won't prosecute him. Wokers view Conservatives as guilty until proven innocent!