What Legacy Does Trump Leave?

[Northwind]

I'm happy to hear from different sources that many Republicans are stepping back from Trump. That needs to happen. I understand the motivation for change that lead to Trump. I do not see him as the change that was needed. I suppose of disruption was the goal, they achieved that. It is good to read that there is a desire for a less disruptive president. I hope that's true. I'm sure Biden won because he comes across as a gentleman with manners. Of course that isn't enough to qualify for president. Given the prior 4 years, it was understandable. It was sad to see that the two candidates for president in the 2020 election were two white guys in their 70's. Surely there are better candidates out there on both sides. We know the Dems had a diverse group in their leadership race, several of whom would have been excellent choices. I hope the Republicans have a diverse group as well. The more sensible folk need to be louder than the clowns like Marjorie Taylor Green.

 

[Redbaron]

I sense a recent change in Republican political wishes: as much as they adore Trump for his legacy, they don't want him to run in 2024

Let me rephrase part of your first sentence: Even some Republicans are beginning to sense the skunk-like aroma of Trump's legacy, and wish to bury it pronto.

And frankly more Americans, MANY more than you want to believe, DO care about the hearings.

 

[Luce NDs]

Let me rephrase part of your first sentence: Even some Republicans are beginning to sense the skunk-like aroma of Trump's legacy, and wish to bury it pronto.

And frankly more Americans, MANY more than you want to believe, DO care about the hearings.

Remember that denial is a great power leading to things missing, deficit thinking and other deficiencies ... especially in the realm of thought and reason ... hated in empires! Just think of the way patricians reject iðe ... as if a mother of Eire instead of a screwed up father ... it Sur fault ...

 

[Mystic]

Let me rephrase part of your first sentence: Even some Republicans are beginning to sense the skunk-like aroma of Trump's legacy, and wish to bury it pronto.

And frankly more Americans, MANY more than you want to believe, DO care about the hearings.

How do you know what I want to believe? I live in the USA and you don't--no one I know thinks the hearings are much more than a partisan witch hunt. Now, the 4O recent woke progressive bombings and vandalism of pregnancy clinics--that violence does get the riveted attention of Americans! Yesterday I watched an interview with the doctor who runs a recently bombed pregnancy clinic in Buffalo. He lamented the need to meet with these vulnerable young women in unnamed private locations to protect them from harm.

 

[Northwind]

--no one I know thinks the hearings are much more than a partisan witch hunt

Did you watch any of the video of January 6 when it happened or since? How do describe what happened that day??

My American friends don't see the hearings as a witch hunt.

Now, the 4O recent woke progressive bombings and vandalism of pregnancy clinics--that violence does get the riveted attention of Americans!

Any violence I've seen with the protests, which are legitimate and legal in the US, has come from the State - police and authorities.

Is protesting not okay in your world?

He lamented the need to meet with these vulnerable young women in unnamed private locations to protect them from harm.

Clinics have had to deal with violence from anti-abortion activists for years. What's new besides fewer safe places for women to get an abortion?

 

[Redbaron]

I used to live in the US. I have family there. I keep up with what’s going on there.
If you truly think most Americans are uninterested in the Jan. 6 hearings, you are only fooling yourself.
If you honestly think Trump’s legacy is worth celebrating, rather than lamenting, again, you are only fooling yourself.

 

[Redbaron]

I would also appreciate knowing your source of information regarding the 40 bombings. Historically it has not been progressives doing the bombings, but rather anti abortion constipatives.

 

[Redbaron]

And if no one you know thinks the hearings are nothing more than a witch hunt,
a) maybe Trump should be hiding his broom better, and
b) maybe you need to step out of your echo chamber and see what’s really going on in the country you live with n.

 

[jimkenney12]

What kind of a circle do you have with people outside of eastern Washington?

There are pregnancy clinics that offer information and support for pregnant women to make their own choices. There are pregnancy clinics that promote abortion. There are pregnancy clinics that discourage pregnant women from choosing abortion. If there were multiple pregnancy clinics bombed, which type were they,, how did they name themselves, and how did they treat the women that came to them?

There have been bomb and firearms attacks on Planned Parenthood clinics and abortion clinics for decades. A doctor in Canada who did abortions was killed in his own home.

Where can we find information about the bombings you mentioned?

 

[BetteTheRed]

no one I know thinks the hearings are much more than a partisan witch hunt

Gotcha. Bunch of octagenarians in an old folks home for white people.

What kind of a circle do you have with people outside of eastern Washington?

See my conjecture above. Not to dis people in old folks homes, but if you get a critical mass of 80 year old men with dementia, you're gonna have a slightly skewed POV especially if they're all watching Fox News.

 

[Waterfall]

Gotcha. Bunch of octagenarians in an old folks home for white people.



See my conjecture above. Not to dis people in old folks homes, but if you get a critical mass of 80 year old men with dementia, you're gonna have a slightly skewed POV especially if they're all watching Fox News.

Probably many many people think it's a witch hunt....thus Fox news. How else could it be so popular with so many?

 

[BetteTheRed]

How else could it be so popular with so many?

A sub-standard education system, coupled with possibly the stupidest media offerings on earth? (Yeah, my disdain is showing...) I live in Canada. I have visited the U.S. a lot over the years. I have visited the U.K. a lot over the years.

Whether it's healthcare, food quality, environmental initiatives, social justice issues around race, gender, orientation, safety issues like police procedures, initiatives, etc., Canada and the U.K. CONSISTENTLY out-perform the U.S.

It's a poorly run country based on a model that failed 2 millenia prior, with pretty predictable poor outcomes, and I really consider that people who chose to immigrate there made poor life choices, and some of them feel compelled to defend their stupidity. I don't fault those born there.

 

[Waterfall]

A sub-standard education system, coupled with possibly the stupidest media offerings on earth? (Yeah, my disdain is showing...) I live in Canada. I have visited the U.S. a lot over the years. I have visited the U.K. a lot over the years.

Whether it's healthcare, food quality, environmental initiatives, social justice issues around race, gender, orientation, safety issues like police procedures, initiatives, etc., Canada and the U.K. CONSISTENTLY out-perform the U.S.

It's a poorly run country based on a model that failed 2 millenia prior, with pretty predictable poor outcomes, and I really consider that people who chose to immigrate there made poor life choices, and some of them feel compelled to defend their stupidity. I don't fault those born there.

Not going to try to change your viewpoint, only to say I disagree with your generalizations.

 

[BetteTheRed]

Not going to try to change your viewpoint, only to say I disagree with your generalizations.

Fair enough. Assuming you are Canadian, how much exposure do you have to real people in both of those countries? I argue on the basis of experience. I have friends in the U.S. I have a lot of family in the U.K. I have historically spent time in both countries, although, honestly, less in the U.S. in recent years.

 

[Mendalla]

I really consider that people who chose to immigrate there made poor life choices

No, you can't say s**t like this. My son's South Asian partner is a US citizen because that's where her family initially immigrated to and several family members are still there with good jobs and lives. You have, in one fell swoop, insulted everyone who has ever immigrated to the US. There are many good reasons (better business and work opportunities, less oppression) for people to move there, if perhaps more reasons not to now than in the past. And what about all the immigrants for whom Canada has proven to be a "poor life choice"?

Frankly, this is a group attack and I hope you rethink it and maybe retract or modify it.

 

[BetteTheRed]

How about "accidentally poor life choices"?

 

[BetteTheRed]

It's a big deal, you know, if you're close to it. To give up your land of birth, to pick somewhere else as a place to live. My parents chose between Canada and New Zealand, left the land of their birth and families, one without a look behind, one with some regret. It is a huge and hard decision, and sometimes it is the wrong one.

I know that my late ex-husband was offered jobs in the States, and I said "fine, but I can't go with you there".

Places you choose to immigrate to are sometimes life choices, and some of them are no better than what you left. I have enough real dislike of what I really know of real life in the U.S. to think that a choice to move there is a poor one for me.

Refugees are a totally other category.

 

[BetteTheRed]

And cross-cultural relationships totally another, as her foot gets deeper...

As a last stand, I'd not advocate anyone emigrate to the U.S. without totally understanding the consequences.

 

[Mystic]

Gotcha. Bunch of octagenarians in an old folks home for white people.

This is a comparatively uneducated and myopic Ghetto that is quick to hurl insulting stereotypes, but gets irate when an intruder outside their Ghetto bluntly exposes their nonsense. You have "guests" who will notice this hypocrisy and it is for them I post. And remember, I was sent to the original WC by someone who was at that time a national leader in UCCan administration.

See my conjecture above. Not to dis people in old folks homes, but if you get a critical mass of 80 year old men with dementia, you're gonna have a slightly skewed POV especially if they're all watching Fox News.

My friends are largely well educated with degrees in engineering, architecture, etc.--much brighter than most of the WC2 crowd. One of them was recently interviewed for his discoveries on "Nova." But I guess the WC2 crowd rarely watches science programs. Your assumption that I'm in my 80s is just another false and mindless example of how presumptuous you people are. For years, I have been fast-walking 6 miles a day in our lovely countryside and have a close friend who is a similar exercise fiend.

 

[WC2Mods]

1. Be advised that this thread is to be a discussion of the aftermath of the Trump presidency, not an argument over the merits of emigrating to one or another country. Please remember the topic of the thread.

2. Be advised, here and now, if a certain individual persists in calling WC2 a 'ghetto,' thereby insulting every member of WC2, he will find himself sanctioned. Hopefully a word to the wise will be sufficient to curb this behavior.

I hope the gentle hints are enough to get the message across.