What is the Christian spectrum these days?

[Jaebius]

I assume that's a joke, right? (I am terrible at discerning your sense of humour, Jae...)

It seems no one here appreciates my humour Bette, so you're in good company.

What you responded to is not really a joke... although it is... in a way... What I mean is, I realize that the stories of Jonah and Noah are ridiculous sounding, yet I believe them to be true. I feel that I find the contrast humorous.

 

[BetteTheRed]

What is true? Is it true that prophets run away from Godde's call? Yes. Is it true that they actually get miffed when it turns out they're right about Godde's forgiving nature because, like all humans, they love to have a bunch of people they can feel "better" than? Sure.

Does the large fish swallowing have anything very important to add to this story? Mmmm, except as a "hook", so to speak, not much, to my mind.

And I have never known WTF to do with Noah, and neither has the lead of our Junior Church team, so we avoid it...

 

[GordW]

On WC and here at WC2 more than one person has labeled me a "Fundie," because I believe in the atonement. However, I am not a fundamentalist. I realize that Scripture must be considered in historical-cultural context, and I know the Bible contains fables, parables, visions, songs, and poetry.

Jonah's giant fish and Noah's ark, though - definitely true.

I would say "fundie" is about attitude while fundamentalist is about belief in the "5 Fundamentals" (inerrancy of Scripture, Virgin Birth, Physical Resurrection, Sacrificial Substitutionary Atonement, Return of Jesus). Therefore not all fundamentalists are "fundies". At various times I have seen you express that attitude. And in fact the same attitude is present in many philosophical schools

 

[Jaebius]

I would say "fundie" is about attitude... At various times I have seen you express that attitude. And in fact the same attitude is present in many philosophical schools

Okay Gord, so then what's the attitude?

 

[Luce NDs]

Attitude is the mood of your mind ... so if you don't believe or have faith in the existence of mind you are a fringe to God which is the state of a cleansed mind free of thought ... God does it ... unless God as expansive is inclusive of thoughts outside this mood about being clear of thoughts or in the pitz of love! Children of men are born free of devilish thoughts and thus have flushed minds except for the knowledge of the bodies genes (sometimes known as bode an jinnis)! Things incarnate, or appearing as if not! This not always the case but sometimes Eire as a rare thingy that is misjudged by Nazis as Aryan! This could be a ripper in that system as a fabrication.

Some philosophers believe that mind is the spirit that haunts the brain thus causing the driving out of emotions and thus the death of God ... some people find that this kind of mood can cause a loss of their god ... yet god reappears as an all pervasive thing in the physical universe as gravid (yet invisible force)! When God is out of the brain ... the brain is thus holy or filled with a void! This could be considered ghost with a whole nature ... or otherwise holy as the words are redacted by the corrupting factor of mankind. Thus light appears in the equation as a solar wind driving the darkness, or the abstract, or invisible. Some suggest we there is great turmoil at the edge of the cosmos as to conflict of light and the invisible ... but if you can see it you may be prepared for the great leap ... which some fixated in negative thoughts ... say: "tis impossible" and thus the old axiom about ... "Only those that can see the invisible are capable of the impossible ... anonymously from the autonomous". Thus a strange ability of the autistic to see things that are unconditioned by moods in the other side of the perspective of autonomous things ... non-essence? This could be construed as non-essential if y!ou don't consider psyche forces necessary as a kind of invisible force opposing gravid attractions. This can assist avoidance of screwing up publically ... unless you consider following the emotions blindly ... in which cause you could suffer succubus ... or be sucked into the lowest states of thought and be contrary to those that desire to have a co-operative loss of mind in relating to yah ... regardless which secular group you belong to ... male of female. Genre is something totally indeterminate as a state of mind ... that is generally said to be absent in moody people .. or the abstract form that depends on which side of this argument you see things and non-things like energy light and toatal lack of energy as wasted in love like Jonah and Noah ... leading to the new philosophy called Noetics ... that I have found some professors of ethics have not even heard of ...

I believe you must have a contrary mood about either ethics or the moral pool ... which common people have been denied knowledge about by religious authority of God's representatives. These could be false considering all the industry of this group trying the lyre theory on the general public ... you know ... eM (population paradigm if you accept statistical means ... a larger thinking medium)!

Then if you don't get a grip on concepts of mind would you think to get into such a spectre of moods as the human psyche displays due to corrupted thoughts by unrestricted emotions? This could be explosive ... driving you right out of the thoughtful zone ... such is a worshipped mental state to those who find thought and wisdom painful as hinted at in Ecclesiastes and Proverbs on "wisdom" a jealously guarded state by God-sibling a dark area we can't see and thus disturbing ... or described by the word Eris in ancient tong ... or tongue when considering phonetic deviations ... and the expressive power of those cursing things that don't know ... an eternal state of learning is a pain and thus a wise person is uncomfortable with the state of things down here. There are alternative attitudes ... caused when wisdom is a nonexistent force!---Ecclesiastes?

Is that just beyond a given fixed way of conceiving ...?

 

[Jaebius]

Attitude is the mood of your mind ... so if you don't believe or have faith in the existence of mind you are a fringe to God which is the state of a cleansed mind free of thought ... God does it ... unless God as expansive is inclusive of thoughts outside this mood about being clear of thoughts or in the pitz of love! Children of men are born free of devilish thoughts and thus have flushed minds except for the knowledge of the bodies genes (sometimes known as bode an jinnis)! Things incarnate, or appearing as if not! This not always the case but sometimes Eire as a rare thingy that is misjudged by Nazis as Aryan! This could be a ripper in that system as a fabrication.

Some philosophers believe that mind is the spirit that haunts the brain thus causing the driving out of emotions and thus the death of God ... some people find that this kind of mood can cause a loss of their god ... yet god reappears as an all pervasive thing in the physical universe as gravid (yet invisible force)! When God is out of the brain ... the brain is thus holy or filled with a void! This could be considered ghost with a whole nature ... or otherwise holy as the words are redacted by the corrupting factor of mankind. Thus light appears in the equation as a solar wind driving the darkness, or the abstract, or invisible. Some suggest we there is great turmoil at the edge of the cosmos as to conflict of light and the invisible ... but if you can see it you may be prepared for the great leap ... which some fixated in negative thoughts ... say: "tis impossible" and thus the old axiom about ... "Only those that can see the invisible are capable of the impossible ... anonymously from the autonomous". Thus a strange ability of the autistic to see things that are unconditioned by moods in the other side of the perspective of autonomous things ... non-essence? This could be construed as non-essential if y!ou don't consider psyche forces necessary as a kind of invisible force opposing gravid attractions. This can assist avoidance of screwing up publically ... unless you consider following the emotions blindly ... in which cause you could suffer succubus ... or be sucked into the lowest states of thought and be contrary to those that desire to have a co-operative loss of mind in relating to yah ... regardless which secular group you belong to ... male of female. Genre is something totally indeterminate as a state of mind ... that is generally said to be absent in moody people .. or the abstract form that depends on which side of this argument you see things and non-things like energy light and toatal lack of energy as wasted in love like Jonah and Noah ... leading to the new philosophy called Noetics ... that I have found some professors of ethics have not even heard of ...

I believe you must have a contrary mood about either ethics or the moral pool ... which common people have been denied knowledge about by religious authority of God's representatives. These could be false considering all the industry of this group trying the lyre theory on the general public ... you know ... eM (population paradigm if you accept statistical means ... a larger thinking medium)!

Then if you don't get a grip on concepts of mind would you think to get into such a spectre of moods as the human psyche displays due to corrupted thoughts by unrestricted emotions? This could be explosive ... driving you right out of the thoughtful zone ... such is a worshipped mental state to those who find thought and wisdom painful as hinted at in Ecclesiastes and Proverbs on "wisdom" a jealously guarded state by God-sibling a dark area we can't see and thus disturbing ... or described by the word Eris in ancient tong ... or tongue when considering phonetic deviations ... and the expressive power of those cursing things that don't know ... an eternal state of learning is a pain and thus a wise person is uncomfortable with the state of things down here. There are alternative attitudes ... caused when wisdom is a nonexistent force!---Ecclesiastes?

Is that just beyond a given fixed way of conceiving ...?

Ah, I we. Thank you Luce. You've made everything cryptal clear to me now.

 

[Luce NDs]

@Pr. Jae ,
It is not my Job in a cloudy charted area (present world) to present clarity ... but to present complexity as it is a pain to people rejecting Chaos and Complexity Theory about god ... or all that is ... everything inclusive?

Thus the fog where it all hides ... out there ... the world of the psychic impossible ... thus unseen ... like the veil over the old man in the mountain ... just a wisp thereof ...

 

[Luce NDs]

Can a mere mortal understand an infinite array of word as god representative ... only a small piece thereof as we encounter it mortally?

One can really take a dipping in what's beyond eM ... and therefore we do ... and call it a baptism of fire ... or pyre if you consider pyrotechnics of great tongs ...

 

[Jaebius]

@Pr. Jae ,
It is not my Job in a cloudy charted area (present world) to present clarity ... but to present complexity as it is a pain to people rejecting Chaos and Complexity Theory about god ... or all that is ... everything inclusive?

Thus the fog where it all hides ... out there ... the world of the psychic impossible ... thus unseen ... like the veil over the old man in the mountain ... just a wisp thereof ...

Of you aim to be complex to how how everything elements in the world in complex. Okay Luce, I upper that one way to go. It remind me of Johnny Can wearing black to how the darken of tho old here. He didn't want folk to look pat the truth that there I definitely in in things orb. I that the American kund of minder that you have with your composition? Circumvent the orb!

 

[Luce NDs]

It is simply an out of here thought ... the "in thought" being to keep things simple and thus the biblical directive to ignore the tree of logic ... or LOGOS in old tongues ...

The psyche is like a jungle ... even a swamp ... one that a traveller needs to learn to navigate ... to find adequate chambers of present an future needs ... many that are seized by complexity live only in presence ... others become unstuck as a rare bunch!

And you do know that ancient visionaries are out there ... right?

 

[Luce NDs]

Prophets are considered Outlanders ... D Gabbledon as the cruise through timely literature that is endless and thus novel to some fixated on one book ... contrary to the terminal comments of the truth of some John ... that's gospel but spooky to some!

 

[Hermann]

Well, if what Jae said above isn't a joke, and he believes these stories to be absolutely and literally true, then he is a fundy. But he said he wasn't, so it must be a joke.

 

[Hermann]

I was still on the previous page, and I see that Jae has since clarified his stance. So the stories about Noah and the Ark, and Jonah and the Whale, sound absurd, but are true, and therein lies the joke???

 

[Luce NDs]

Perhaps within them is contained a spark or truth ... like a light in a dark obscure area of emotional humanity that would rather not think of the consequences of what they do?

Such could be obtuse to those that do not believe in a social theory on the larger mind supported by the population ... but separate from a singular authority that has grown too big for his breeches? Thus the RIPPER sensation ...

It has been said the Shadow knows and that at some time it shall be revealed ... thus the exposure of donkeys ... eM tilting at windmills of time and thus it goes by eM ... in a cranked mood!

 

[revjohn]

These terms get bandied about a lot but the meaning seems rather fluid.

Once removed from context terms automatically become fluid and the common argument is "to hell with how X is commonly defined, when I use X I mean . . . "

Which shows that conversation never happens from a common place but rather a particular one.

I find that kind of weaselly.

At any rate the spectrum is what it has always been, a range of opinions and stances. Lables fit or don't depending on who is applying them to whom.

 

[Luce NDs]

That's why we have particular perspectives to see as god allows or arranges ... from that particular position of the unknown "X" that is reciprocal to the rationale of "Y" ... the grace of reason or the "why" of god?

When you consider that god is all over or well dispersed ... does this contribute to the chaos of local collectives or LANS?

In the hyne NDs this is confusing emotional input ... bloody hermeneutics of hemorrhoids when redacted? Condensed ... a pain in the butt to learn for those that despise the Job of life ... learning?

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Once removed from context terms automatically become fluid and the common argument is "to hell with how X is commonly defined, when I use X I mean . . . "

Which shows that conversation never happens from a common place but rather a particular one.

I find that kind of weaselly.

At any rate the spectrum is what it has always been, a range of opinions and stances. Lables fit or don't depending on who is applying them to whom.

That's actually what's been happening since the beginning of language. Meanings being defined and redifined according to time, place, and circumstance - for example, look at all the differences over time, or usages of the letter "X".

I don't know, but I only hope, that Christians can agree no matter where on the spectrum, or non-Christians, too, someday we will agree on peace and justice and cooperation for the benefit of humanity and the home we inhabit, no matter how that hope gets communicated.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/X

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Did you know that, conversely, in some places they can agree on the meaning of words but not that they are speaking the same language?

It is possible to speak the same human language even though words will change or evolve.

 

[Jaebius]

That's actually what's been happening since the beginning of language. Meanings being defined and redifined according to time, place, and circumstance - for example, look at all the differences over time, or usages of the letter "X".

I don't know, but I only hope, that Christians can agree no matter where on the spectrum, or non-Christians, too, someday we will agree on peace and justice and cooperation for the benefit of humanity and the home we inhabit, no matter how that hope gets communicated.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/X

I don't feel such peace and justice is ever going to happen Cousin, before Christ comes again. Until that happens, there are too many people - Family members even - stabbing each other in the back.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Would people know Christ if they tripped over him? (maybe...abstractly...if he helped them up)

The Bible says we will know him by his voice - now what is his "voice" - is it the voice calling out for a better world? I think so. I think it is anyone and everyone living to do that, with that common purpose, the best the can with what they have. I don't believe it is any one person we are waiting for to literally swoop down from the sky or magically appear. Biblically, we're told not to believe anyone who says "here his, there he is" anyway. I think we unwittingly facilitate Christ's return, by our actions - by following his values.